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Murray, Fickling, Featherstone, Bain, De Fanti, Congerton, Donald, Methven, Short, Sartori, Hutchison, Sloanes, Andersson, Fox, Farnham etc all fair game though.

Any mention of Lowes, Callaghan or Byrne though.......

Used to be class on this forum when we couldn't mention L*s*e* C*l*a*h*n name. Didn't she threaten to sue this forum at one point? 🤣
 
Murray, Fickling, Featherstone, Bain, De Fanti, Congerton, Donald, Methven, Short, Sartori, Hutchison, Sloanes, Andersson, Fox, Farnham etc all fair game though.

Any mention of Lowes, Callaghan or Byrne though.......

I’d put Byrne in your ‘hit list’ without a doubt and she was the subject of regular deserved criticism on here by most (including me). There are actions undertaken by most of your list that are public knowledge and ended badly. I’m not aware of any taken by Lowes but if you would like to throw a few examples of how she has specifically contributed to our miserable footballing existence in recent years I’d be happy to join in with the criticism.
 
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That's not a description of any FD I've ever known. An FD should be a director first and an accountant second. Any FD getting involved in accounts preparation is doing it wrong.

Weird business though isn't it, football. When you're in the Premiership, the incentive to keep spending and not cut back is huge, because the gargantuan income drop if you don't is even worse. It's kind of like the furlough scheme - you just keep hoying it in, hoying it in. But what if it doesn't do the job and you get the bill for unemployment and the bill for furlough anyway? That's what happened to us anyway and if she was giving advice saying - yeah, we need to cut XYZ, we need to stop spending XYZ on players, really unsure given the incentives and structures of the business that she would likely be listened to...

...which is an argument for our current restructure I realise, which is merely playing catch-up with a lot of the more enlightened football clubs.
 
Weird business though isn't it, football. When you're in the Premiership, the incentive to keep spending and not cut back is huge, because the gargantuan income drop if you don't is even worse. It's kind of like the furlough scheme - you just keep hoying it in, hoying it in. But what if it doesn't do the job and you get the bill for unemployment and the bill for furlough anyway? That's what happened to us anyway and if she was giving advice saying - yeah, we need to cut XYZ, we need to stop spending XYZ on players, really unsure given the incentives and structures of the business that she would likely be listened to...

...which is an argument for our current restructure I realise, which is merely playing catch-up with a lot of the more enlightened football clubs.

The logical way is to accept that, outside the top six, relegation is an occupational hazard, and put structures in place to survive it if and when it happens. Funnily enough, Mike Ashley is very good at this.
 
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One of those people you don't know what they do or how much influence they have, so I think any criticism on here is probably unfair.

But, it shows we are getting a new head finance person in. Given KLDs background, it could be a quite a statement of intent, depending on who we get in.

This. We don't know what her exact role was, probably just a generic management type thing.

It may well come out that KLD has someone lined up to take over finance duties with an excellent pedigree that includes experience with top sporting organisations, so it was right to replace her. Even then it might come out that she was a decent finance person with a good grounding in business etc, who could have developed into a great home grown director of SAFC if our club hadn't been such a shitshow all these years
 
I’d put Byrne in your ‘hit list’ without a doubt. There are actions undertaken by most of your list that are public knowledge and ended badly. I’m not aware of any taken by Lowes but if you would like to throw a few examples of how she has specifically contributed to our miserable footballing existence in recent years I’d be happy to join in with the criticism.

I just did earlier in the thread. Overseeing everything from financial oblivion under Short to asset stripping under Donald and sitting idly by and taking the money. As Grumpy says if I was continually pointing out areas of concern and being ignored then I’d have to reconsider my role. If I wasn’t then I’d not be fulfilling my role correctly.

My main point though is that they should be spoken of as directors of Sunderland. Not on whether they are men or women.
 
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I just did earlier in the thread. Overseeing everything from financial oblivion under Short to asset stripping under Donald and sitting idly by and taking the money. As Grumpy says if I was continually pointing out areas of concern and being ignored then I’d have to reconsider my role. If I wasn’t then I’d not be fulfilling my role correctly.

Yeah, the last 10 years don't look good for her do they, given she's been a member of the board since 2011.
 
That wasn't complexity - that was simply crass.
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I dinnar, I could be wrong, but whether it's streamlined or not football isn't a straight forward business, and it's more than a game of numbers. I know you value sustainability and cutting your cloth accordingly, but sometimes you need to speculate. Poyet's touched on this before, but we've been left short because of the bean counters at the club not sanctioning deals. We've chucked bad money after money, when we could have pushed the boat out here and there to bring in some real value. Pay peanuts - get monkeys. Get relegated.
 
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