Angela Lowes gone


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One of those people you don't know what they do or how much influence they have, so I think any criticism on here is probably unfair.

But, it shows we are getting a new head finance person in. Given KLDs background, it could be a quite a statement of intent, depending on who we get in.
 
Playing devil's advocate, using the same reasoning with getting rid of John Cooke probably wouldn't have been too popular on here.

I agree with your general point though. Some times I don't really care if there's 80% bad and 20% good, just replace the entire thing and start afresh even if there were bits that don't necessarily need to be removed.

I, for one, will be extremely disappointed if you don’t post one of your Streamable links showing Ms Lowes leaving the club within a minute or two of her final departure.
 
There's probably a clause in the contract that allows for them to be stripped naked, tarred & feathered and fired into the sea on a giant wooden catapult, that they haven't read or properly understood.
I'd use a Trebuchet mate.... you can get much farther with a Trebuchet..FACT ;)
 
Described where? In the director appointment form? I wouldn't put too much emphasis on what they say, people write all sorts of drivel in the "occupation" box. She's probably not filling those forms in herself.

In fairness I don't know what roles she held or what specific responsibilities she had in her ascent to FD at SAFC. And from the evidence we have she may well have been fulfilling a financial accounting role under an overly grand title for her whole time as FD. However we are off on a wild tangent from the original point, which was the fact that she was an accountant at Dewhirst does not necessarily mean she was unqualified to eventually become FD of a football club.

Whether you have those qualities is rarely shown on a CV. My views are perhaps coloured by a spell working for a subsidiary of GEC when Armold Weinstock was running it. He and his FD, David Newlands, were very clear on the role of the FD, and, as a management team, were about as good as it gets, Newlands even told me once that if an MD was going off the rails, it was the FD's duty to report this to the shareholders (ie GEC). The FD was not expected to get his hands dirty producing sets of accounts. his job was to ensure the key financial targets were met.
 
Except she was described as "financial accountant" at the time she was appointed to the board, not "financial controller". At various times I've been a financial accountant. chief accountant, and financial controller. My responsibilities in each of those jobs was different (though less difference between chief accountant and FC than might be thought).


Was she a chartered or certified accountant?
 
It's a weird one. I'm fairly sure that a lot of opinions on Ms Lowes over the years started from a position of misogyny. It was the same with Byrne on here tbh. All that being said, it turned out that Byrne was terrible at her job. So, right answer - wrong reasons can't be ruled out.
Glad I'm not the only person to have suspected this was the case.
 
Whether you have those qualities is rarely shown on a CV. My views are perhaps coloured by a spell working for a subsidiary of GEC when Armold Weinstock was running it. He and his FD, David Newlands, were very clear on the role of the FD, and, as a management team, were about as good as it gets, Newlands even told me once that if an MD was going off the rails, it was the FD's duty to report this to the shareholders (ie GEC). The FD was not expected to get his hands dirty producing sets of accounts. his job was to ensure the key financial targets were met.
Haha, I was there as an auditor when it was Simpson and Mayo. The Moyes to Weinstock's Ferguson.
 
The bottom line in simplistic terms of this departure/sacking is that KLD and the big hitters who have come into SAFC with him, like the Louis Dreyfus business empire Chief Financial Officer Patrick Treuer have spent considerable time already analysing why our club has been generally run so appallingly [our third tier status emphasises that!] and are going to lose people who, in their professional opinion, are not up to their standards. People of this calibre will be going through the club forensically at every level.

The pace of change at the club on and off the pitch already clearly suggests that the new incumbents are big hitters who aren't here to mess about and know that run properly we have excellent top flight potential.

There are, and have been, many people working at SAFC in recent decades who,for a variety of reasons, were not fit for purpose. Again, our current lowly status illustrates this fact vividly.
I have little doubt that Lowes has gone because of her performance and capability to be clear. However, I reckon there's a bit about her reputation on here that is tied to her being a woman. That was certainly the case with Byrne - before her actions made her competence levels obvious!
 
In your experience is that better or worse than getting chartered in a smaller firm

Different. Mrs G is an FCCA, so I have to be a bit careful here. In my experience, certifieds normally end up in smaller practices and businesses, because they don't get the large company experience. They also tend to be a bit better at basic book-keeping, because it's small practices that have the "brown paper job" clients, which require starting from scratch with a pile of invoices and bank statements. I was fortunate in that I spent my first year at Touche Ross in the small business department, and hot a lot of that experience. However, they sometimes struggle in the very large businesses. Chartereds tend to be the other way round. Of course, this is a massive generalisation - you get each in all sizes of practice and business.
 
Haha, I was there as an auditor when it was Simpson and Mayo. The Moyes to Weinstock's Ferguson.

I think at that time I said "If Arnold was dead, he's be turning in a grave". They gave an object lesson in how to trash a blue chip company. Thankfully. I'd moved on by then.
She is ACCA qualified, despite starting her career in the big 4 (big 6 at the time), so chartered certified.

Really? That's unusual. My wife qualified ACCA (now FCCA) from PW, and that's only because she was working in the trust department, and was part-qualified when she joined. As I recall, she was the only certified in the Birmingham office.
 
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Says a man who's clearly never done it and/or had his pet project vetoed because it was financially preposterous.
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No actually. Says the man who doesnt allow any project get vetoed by a number-typer because I can add the sums up myself. Although sometimes I do need to use a spreadsheet. I also know how do make the cells change colour automatically.
If a business allows the FD to call the shots, they are also likely the same business that allows HR or H&S to throttle the life out of the business.
 
I have little doubt that Lowes has gone because of her performance and capability to be clear. However, I reckon there's a bit about her reputation on here that is tied to her being a woman. That was certainly the case with Byrne - before her actions made her competence levels obvious!

I think that a bit of an easy out mate.

She's overseen everything from almost overspending into financial oblivion under Short to penny pinching asset stripping under Donald and everything in between. If a man was FD and this had happened his sex would not even be mentioned - just his incompetence. A bit like Rodwell. She doesn't get criticism because she's a woman in my opinion based on the very limited amount of threads there have been on her and I don't recall seeing any sexist or misogynistic comments about her on here. Just comments about the general financial performance of the club under her watch. If anything she gets more protection because she's a woman and this type of unfounded accusation against posters.
 
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