Angela Lowes gone


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High Paid Woman - bad, done a shit job, pleased she’s gone
Low Paid Bloke - hard done too, ridiculous decision, should be ashamed they let him go
 
High Paid Woman - bad, done a shit job, pleased she’s gone
Low Paid Bloke - hard done too, ridiculous decision, should be ashamed they let him go

If you're talking about Cooke then the suggestion was that he was in fact - very well paid for the job he did, which was part of the reason they let him go. People are also going to be more critical of someone who was on the bloody board of directors for 10 years and than someone whose job was sorting the kit.
 
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Playing devil's advocate, using the same reasoning with getting rid of John Cooke probably wouldn't have been too popular on here.

I agree with your general point though. Some times I don't really care if there's 80% bad and 20% good, just replace the entire thing and start afresh even if there were bits that don't necessarily need to be removed.

I actually did think of him when posting, but by a full clear out I mean a full clear out of all those who have had a fairly high level of decision making responsibilities. A clear out of the entire management structure which has seen us in our lowest ever position. We all know that a kit man will have had no culpability in us ending up here, but every member of the management team does and I'm glad it's going to be a completely clean slate in that regard.
 
If you're talking about Cooke then the suggestion was that he was in fact - very well paid for the job he did, which was part of the reason they let him go. People are also going to be more critical of someone who was on the bloody board of directors for 10 years and than someone who's job was sorting the kit.

but I keep hearing that a full scale clear out is what’s needed
 
But she'd never been an FD. Her appointment notice at CH described her as a "financial accountant". Without going into too much jargon, that, for me, is a red flag. FA's are technicians who put accounts together. It's possibly the least important part of an FD's skillset. Most have a background in financial control and treasury.

Totally agree GOM. I do not think she would have been involved in financial policy until the very last minute so that she could prepare systems and processes. I know times have changed but the company accountant looked after the books and prepared accounts for the board meetings - balancing the bank account up-to-date. I remember when I did it for one board meeting and forgot to include receipts from a home game - Sorry Chairman!
 
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Without knowing facts or context im inclined to think this is good news.

The club needed to be changed and that is happening now. Let's just hope it's for the better.
 
But she'd never been an FD. Her appointment notice at CH described her as a "financial accountant". Without going into too much jargon, that, for me, is a red flag. FA's are technicians who put accounts together. It's possibly the least important part of an FD's skillset. Most have a background in financial control and treasury.
You raise a valid point that she was not actually FD at Dewhirst. But she wasn't hired directly from Dewhirst to FD at Sunderland - she was appointed to the boards of the various SAFC companies between 2010 - 2016. So I would imagine she went from financial accountant to financial controller to FD, which is not an unusual route. Certainly a more reasonable elevation over ten years than going from criminal lawyer to company secretary to CEO inside of three years...

Most FD's I know went from senior manager roles in public practice straight into a financial controller role and then to FD, but if you leave public practice straight after qualifying then you're probably going to start off in a financial or management accountant role.
 
High Paid Woman - bad, done a shit job, pleased she’s gone
Low Paid Bloke - hard done too, ridiculous decision, should be ashamed they let him go
It's a weird one. I'm fairly sure that a lot of opinions on Ms Lowes over the years started from a position of misogyny. It was the same with Byrne on here tbh. All that being said, it turned out that Byrne was terrible at her job. So, right answer - wrong reasons can't be ruled out.
 
Unsurprised. Treuer, as a proper CFO, will have seen through her in minutes. I'm sure she's a competent technician, but that's not the primary role of an FD. An FD has to be able to tell general management when their proposals won't work; the main reason accountants are unpopular is our tendency to raise inconvenient truths. All I'll say is that the transfer policies from Keane onwards should have been closely questioned over how the costs were ever supposed to be recovered. As far as I can see, managers were simply given carte blanche to overpay for players with no resale value instead.

In regards to her being the ‘financial director’ I wonder what her role actually was, as she got told to ‘decide your own job title’
 
High Paid Woman - bad, done a shit job, pleased she’s gone
Low Paid Bloke - hard done too, ridiculous decision, should be ashamed they let him go
Like I posted, people are glad that those with decision making responsibility are going, given how shit our decision making has been over the last, well, decade at least. Her being a woman is nowt to do with it, it's just that she's been ever present, as a financial director, through a period where we nearly went into administration. People were equally pleased when Richard Hill buggered off, and Bain, and Paul Reid.
 
but I keep hearing that a full scale clear out is what’s needed

Don't think anyone is suggesting everyone employed by a previous regime needs to go, just people in senior management positions who have either contributed towards poor decision making or have been ineffective in preventing it. Cookie didn't fall under that bracket.
 
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