Randy Savage
Winger
Whitburn Warrior joined this forum on 31/10/2010. What else happened that day?! Coincidence or a mag on a wind up?
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He'd be distracted by your nose uncomfortably far up his arse. For the record he was completely out of his tree last night and posting incoherent drivel. Not to mention factual inaccuracies like our away form mysteriously improving "of late".
Come to think of it, have you shown your reasoning that our form outwith the 9 game bad run was champions league? Thought not.
Form is measured over six games? Since when?![]()
since when - i thought you said form was measured over a season?
Bruce took over a team in the Premier League, with Premier League quality players in it, and had to push it into the top half. Were 3 rebuilds really needed? Especially when the squad still looks lacking in many areas.
Er..since virtually all the form sites, including the official Premier League one.
Don't you ever check them? Obviously not, since you make statements about form that aren't correct.
It does matter. Growth comes in steps, this one's been a big one, with an aim (ihmo) to lessen the dependencies on loaners and prima donnas. Loaners were used, did their jobs, and have to be replaced on an increasingly permanent basis. And there's the unexpected holes to re-fill - Bent, Gyan, Henderson, (arguably) Steed, (probably) Gordon and now Bramble. And of course you also have to sell, to some degree, before you can buy.
He's been in the job 2 and a bit seasons. You're argument boils down to "why didn't he do it all at once?". The answer's simple, that's both impossible and dangerous.
Gyan turned up unfit, all part of the want away. Prior to that, with a partner, he was a good player. Bramble's also a good player, but had to form a new partnership with Brown. Doesn't alter the fact that they have to be replaced,
We don't lack a left side, we lack a left midfielder. As I said, and as you know, that's been in the works. Rich, that you whinge about 12 signings and then about not having 13. Quality in midfield? See Steed - clearly a story to that departure - and give the new lads a chance.
As I keep saying, you put a unilateral, negative slant on everything, cos you're Bruce hater, like you were/are an MMC hater. Mind he seems to have survived a few more PL seasons that you unilaterally, negatively proclaimed was ever going to happen.
"Move us on" means several things. You completely overlook the constraints he has to work with. The "moving on" this season is to establish a sustainable squad (for once) and weather the consequences on the pitch, for the moment. See Stubber's posts, he's wiser than you.
Not knowing how to use Sess comes down to no Gyan. Its fairly obvious how he'd be used if we had 2 recognised strikers in the team. The problem is that we don't, and you can't blame Bruce for that. He didn't create the situation, he has to deal with it.
And how much did we get for Henderson based on Bruce's faith in him? Riveros never looked up to the pace, and Zenden had a stinker for every decent subs appearance he put in. Henderson deserved his place, and then paid for several quality players.
I am fair minded. I'm far from convinced by Bruce (never have been, if you want to check the posting history) but I'm objective enough to accept he's done well over 2 seasons, is working within constraints, and has earned time to try to succeed with what he's doing, even though I have my own (repeatedly expressed) doubts. You aren't, you just blame him for everything not being the way you think it should be, right now, and completely ignore the bigger picture and whys and wherefores. FACT.
This is an appeal to those forum users who are so full of venom towards our manager .
Please take a little time to step back and count your blessings . Think where the club was , or perhaps you have not been around long enough to remember ? Begin to focus your attention on supporting Sunderland AFC not attacking an individual . You will feel better , you will enjoy your football more and be more willing and able to give vocal support to the players in red and white stripes .
The attack on Steve Bruce is making us the laughing stock of the football world . My contacts throughout England ( and in Newcastle ) cant believe the ignorance ( that sums it up ) , short sightedness , fickleness and hatred demonstrated by a minority of so called Sunderland supporters .
Steve Bruce is a good bloke , passionate for success at Sunderland and I believe will prove to be the best manager we have had . Steve Bruce is held in high esteem by football managers . I firmly believe that at the end of the next eight game period we will be in the top eight .If this is the case then I will be a very happy man . I look forward to getting behind the club at the next game as I have done for the last 50 years .
Should Steve Bruce go then I would imagine that the same ill feeling will go towards the next manager after a couple of years . A new manager does not guarantee success or better football .
I would suggest that the majority of the anti Steve Bruce brigade are of relatively young years and have been fed on a diet of sky highlights and the wonder of the Premeiership .
I would also suggest that many of the anti brigade take a crash course in English language . You will find that the English dictionary is full of some wonderful , thoughtful words which help you to explain your thoughts clearly and constructively . I am also amazed to at the number of experts we have out there obviouslly highly qualified in both coaching and finacial management . I wonder where I gain gain these qualifications within a couple of months ?
Whitburn Warrior joined this forum on 31/10/2010. What else happened that day?! Coincidence or a mag on a wind up?
Then you were wrong. There's a turnip for the books.
Hetzkes Ballet Teacher said:The thing is, football goes in seasons not calendar years, or arbitrary periods picked to look as bad as possible. How did we do overall last season, again?
I am fair minded. I'm far from convinced by Bruce (never have been, if you want to check the posting history) but I'm objective enough to accept he's done well over 2 seasons, is working within constraints, and has earned time to try to succeed with what he's doing, even though I have my own (repeatedly expressed) doubts. You aren't, you just blame him for everything not being the way you think it should be, right now, and completely ignore the bigger picture and whys and wherefores. FACT.
But previously you ignored any kind of form, using only the entire season. Now because certain publications use "LLWLLD" etc over six games that's the only way we can judge it?![]()
Poor performances and results over a sustained period of time can't be ignored or swept under the carpet like. Don't give a shit if it runs into 2 separate seasons or not, the Sunderland fans I know have just about had it with Bruce. He's under severe pressure because the malaise of last season has continued into this one and with some tough fixtures coming up then it could well get a bit worse yet.
Until you have answered it. Your constant evasion speaks volumes. I have seen a remarkable post where you "proved" we would have finished 5th IF you ignore the bad run, change some other results and add an imaginary extra point from somewhere.How many times do you intend to keep asking for something that's already been given, in detail, several times, and you've even (incorrectly) argued about it. Are you a goldfish?
Poor performances and results over a sustained period of time can't be ignored or swept under the carpet like. Don't give a shit if it runs into 2 separate seasons or not, the Sunderland fans I know have just about had it with Bruce. He's under severe pressure because the malaise of last season has continued into this one and with some tough fixtures coming up then it could well get a bit worse yet.
It does matter. Growth comes in steps.
Until you have answered it. Your constant evasion speaks volumes. I have seen a remarkable post where you "proved" we would have finished 5th IF you ignore the bad run, change some other results and add an imaginary extra point from somewhere.
Now, when Liverpool finished 5th and qualified for the CL it was only because tey had won the competition the previous year. 5th place does not normally, nor ever again will, qualify for the CL because they changed the rules. So. Can you just show us all how you think our form was CL last season?
I won't be holding my breath.
Man City?
Gyan turned up unfit, all part of the want away. Prior to that, with a partner, he was a good player. Bramble's also a good player, but had to form a new partnership with Brown. Doesn't alter the fact that they have to be replaced,
We don't lack a left side, we lack a left midfielder. As I said, and as you know, that's been in the works. Rich, that you whinge about 12 signings and then about not having 13.
I was going to reply to the whole thing, but that killed me.
Keane moved us up and left us in danger, Bruce is also moving us up and so far hasn't. I don't see how you can approve the staff turnover of one, and complain about the lesser turnover of the other, particularly when the latter had to get rid of the shite left by the former.
There is no evasion, I've just pointed you back to where I showed it, which you claimed not to have seen and, but refer to. I'm not saying that 5th qualifies for the CL I'm saying that that form put us in CL contention, just as "promotion form" puts you in contention for promotion. Two more goals vs Arsenal, and we'd have finished more or less equal with them, that's hardly not being in the frame.
If anyone's constantly evading it's you.The point ( for the 100th time) is that the bad run happened for specific, extraordinary reasons, and without them/it, we'd have been in the race for a CL spot, and in a Europa League spot, not to mention having the best finishing position in your entire life (assuming advanced years isn't the reason for your continually getting facts wrong).
Do you accept that or not? I won't be holding my breath for a straight answer.
Aye we're just like them.![]()
Ru a scout or just a bore from Byker?This is an appeal to those forum users who are so full of venom towards our manager .
Please take a little time to step back and count your blessings . Think where the club was , or perhaps you have not been around long enough to remember ? Begin to focus your attention on supporting Sunderland AFC not attacking an individual . You will feel better , you will enjoy your football more and be more willing and able to give vocal support to the players in red and white stripes .
The attack on Steve Bruce is making us the laughing stock of the football world . My contacts throughout England ( and in Newcastle ) cant believe the ignorance ( that sums it up ) , short sightedness , fickleness and hatred demonstrated by a minority of so called Sunderland supporters .
Steve Bruce is a good bloke , passionate for success at Sunderland and I believe will prove to be the best manager we have had . Steve Bruce is held in high esteem by football managers . I firmly believe that at the end of the next eight game period we will be in the top eight .If this is the case then I will be a very happy man . I look forward to getting behind the club at the next game as I have done for the last 50 years .
Should Steve Bruce go then I would imagine that the same ill feeling will go towards the next manager after a couple of years . A new manager does not guarantee success or better football .
I would suggest that the majority of the anti Steve Bruce brigade are of relatively young years and have been fed on a diet of sky highlights and the wonder of the Premeiership .
I would also suggest that many of the anti brigade take a crash course in English language . You will find that the English dictionary is full of some wonderful , thoughtful words which help you to explain your thoughts clearly and constructively . I am also amazed to at the number of experts we have out there obviouslly highly qualified in both coaching and finacial management . I wonder where I gain gain these qualifications within a couple of months ?
Aye we're just like them.![]()
So not actual champions league form at all then. The sound of backtracking is deafening.There is no evasion, I've just pointed you back to where I showed it, which you claimed not to have seen and, but refer to. I'm not saying that 5th qualifies for the CL I'm saying that that form put us in CL contention, just as "promotion form" puts you in contention for promotion. Two more goals vs Arsenal, and we'd have finished more or less equal with them, that's hardly not being in the frame.![]()
One mistake isn't continually getting facts wrong. Cheeky cunt. That straight enough for you?(assuming advanced years isn't the reason for your continually getting facts wrong).
One, Steve Bruce is also coming across as somebody won't resign and jeopardise his compensation payoff for being sacked. The two perhaps are indistinguishable but since he has not shown such loyalty to his previous clubs, has such a long lucrative contract here and apparently hates the fans too I know where my hunch lies on that.Bruce comes across as a decent, honest bloke who is ready to stay and fight to turn things around. Not many other managers do that. MON would be away by now.