An appeal please get off Steve Bruce`s back

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Intellectually, and in terms of experience, Nemo would eat you for breakfast and still have room for another dozen of you.
He'd be distracted by your nose uncomfortably far up his arse. For the record he was completely out of his tree last night and posting incoherent drivel. Not to mention factual inaccuracies like our away form mysteriously improving "of late".

Come to think of it, have you shown your reasoning that our form outwith the 9 game bad run was champions league? Thought not.
 
form is usually measured over 6 games
Another gem.

Anyway, reading through most of this morning's posts the general consensus is that you, the OP, nemo and a couple of others are talking complete shite. However I am sure you will now twist this, find a run of 6 posts that don't disagree with you too much and therefore prove that you are the SMB oracle, who has had an excusable blip.

Oh aye, and you have now dragged god into your ramblings. The last desperate act of the intellectually inept.

Please explain how you think we had champions league form last season.
 
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This is an appeal to those forum users who are so full of venom towards our manager .

Please take a little time to step back and count your blessings . Think where the club was , or perhaps you have not been around long enough to remember ? Begin to focus your attention on supporting Sunderland AFC not attacking an individual . You will feel better , you will enjoy your football more and be more willing and able to give vocal support to the players in red and white stripes .

The attack on Steve Bruce is making us the laughing stock of the football world . My contacts throughout England ( and in Newcastle ) cant believe the ignorance ( that sums it up ) , short sightedness , fickleness and hatred demonstrated by a minority of so called Sunderland supporters .

Steve Bruce is a good bloke , passionate for success at Sunderland and I believe will prove to be the best manager we have had . Steve Bruce is held in high esteem by football managers . I firmly believe that at the end of the next eight game period we will be in the top eight .If this is the case then I will be a very happy man . I look forward to getting behind the club at the next game as I have done for the last 50 years .

Should Steve Bruce go then I would imagine that the same ill feeling will go towards the next manager after a couple of years . A new manager does not guarantee success or better football .

I would suggest that the majority of the anti Steve Bruce brigade are of relatively young years and have been fed on a diet of sky highlights and the wonder of the Premeiership .

I would also suggest that many of the anti brigade take a crash course in English language . You will find that the English dictionary is full of some wonderful , thoughtful words which help you to explain your thoughts clearly and constructively . I am also amazed to at the number of experts we have out there obviouslly highly qualified in both coaching and finacial management . I wonder where I gain gain these qualifications within a couple of months ?

I don't know if he is held in high esteem by managers and I certainly am not aware that we are a laughing stock for our ignorance (though we are a laughing stock for other things I am sure). I am doubtful too about the constant claim that fans will only start on the next manager if he doesn't bring success. And certainly we cannot keep on banging on about how bad we were x years ago.

For me the issues begin and end with the belief that the fans know best and that Bruce must not be left alone to run the team in peace. If more did that I think most fans would be happier with Steve Bruce.
 
My opinion is simply this - I can see what him/ES are trying to do, and after some shrewd transfers and 2 upwards seasons
2 upwards seasons eh? Well on April 24th 2010 we were 10th with 44 pts from 36 games, with Bruce stating that we were making a serious effort to finish as high as possible, talking about a top 10 finish. After 2 abject defeats in the last 2 games we finished 13th. Note that if we had won those 2 games we would have finished 9th that season.

So 10th last season is only "upwards" because of our failure at the end of the previous season, and even then, as you can see, is so marginal that to say it was an improvement is meaningless. A goal scored or prevented here or there out of our control on the last day of the season and it could have been a worse position.

I know you will say "but we actually did finish 13th then 10th", but the point I am trying to ram home here is that the differences are so marginal that it is not really an indication of a genuine improvement in performance.

We are standing still at best, which if you know anything at all about SB's prior record, is no surprise, and standing still with him costs a lot of cash.
 
It isn't the same form, form is usually measured over 6 games and we were 3 from 6 at the end of last season. The 6 before that we were shite (by results anyway). All the others before that we were fine.

:confused: Why have you decided that we're going to judge form over six game periods?

Even still, from February: 1 point from 18, 6 points from 18, 5 points from 18, 4 points from 9. That's 16 points from 21 games. Absolutely terrible, and they're your boundaries.

This, coupled with your "9 month period means nothing" and you think you're being impartial?
 
The connection is that you keep going on about Bruce rebuilding the squad each season, but (without checking) I'd guess Keane did it more. Perhaps there are reasons, and stepping stones.

Agreed - Keane did well over 2 seasons. As has Bruce. You can nitpick the details with either of them, but that's the bottom line for both of them.

As I said, Keane took over the worst side in Premier League history, sat at the bottom of the Championship and won the league that very season. He probably brought in about 10 players doing so.

The following season, Keane had to rebuild a squad of Championship players and turn it into a squad to stay in the league. He did this, again, adding at a guess about 10 players.

The next step was consolidation. We bought a fair few players again, but struggled. Keane left and we stayed up by the skin of our teeth.

Bruce took over, again consolidation being the target. Large turnover of players, but targets were met.

The following season the target was to break into the top half. Another large turnover of players followed as Bruce tried to mould his own squad and shift deadwood. Touch and go, but top half achieved.

With a top half squad, the target for this season was to build on and better lady season. Bruce said himself it would be adding quality and not quantity this season, yet we still sign a full team of players.

Keane's 2/3 rebuilds were necessary in getting us up and keeping us up.

Bruce took over a team in the Premier League, with Premier League quality players in it, and had to push it into the top half. Were 3 rebuilds really needed? Especially when the squad still looks lacking in many areas.
 
He'd be distracted by your nose uncomfortably far up his arse. For the record he was completely out of his tree last night and posting incoherent drivel. Not to mention factual inaccuracies like our away form mysteriously improving "of late".

Come to think of it, have you shown your reasoning that our form outwith the 9 game bad run was champions league? Thought not.

Who the fuck are you to place something personal about me on record in the public domain?

I hadn't touched a drop last night. I baby sit a toddler every week end and I wouldn't dream of placing his safety in jeopardy.

Whether I was posting incoherent drivel is as ever open to question.
 
Who the fuck are you to place something personal about me on record in the public domain?

I hadn't touched a drop last night. I baby sit a toddler every week end and I wouldn't dream of placing his safety in jeopardy.

Whether I was posting incoherent drivel is as ever open to question.
Who said anything about alcohol? Not me, must have been somebody else.

Not sure what else could explain your ramblings last night.
Anyway, it can hardly be personal can it since you are posting anonymously.
 
Actually it is sort of cherry picking, though it wasn't particularly what I was referring to originally.

Last season finished in May, and it finished on 10th over 38 games.

The team was rebuilt in the summer.

This season started in August. Slow start, but 3 PL defeats isn't suicide country in the circumstances.

That's how it is, in every respect that matters.

"2011" and "9 month period" mean nothing. They cover two seasons, two different teams, and a summer. A bad run that happened last season ended (with 3 wins from 5) and by definition isn't continuing now. So it means nothing to join those things up. There's no contextual continuity except the manager, and he's shown he's up to the job (generally) by season-on-season results. Therefore you might as well worry about what happened in 1954 as far as it regards the season that's unfolding now.


Then why is it ok to say our away form has improved then? [as quoted by Bruce after the Narwich game]

It isn't the same form, form is usually measured over 6 games and we were 3 from 6 at the end of last season. The 6 before that we were shite (by results anyway). All the others before that we were fine.

It isn't the same team. It isn't finished, everyone including SAFC knows that. It would have been close, but for two more acts of God - Gyan and Bramble, and he was trying to get in players for the left, but couldn't find any and is still looking. Rome wasn't built in a Summer. So that particular beating stick also vaporises quickly.

And you presumably just read the post, or any of a dozen earlier ones over months, that says I don't particularly back him, and don't expect anything other than a tough season. Oops, wrong about that too. And there are no excuses offered for anything, only facts and opinions with a high probability of being right.

My opinion is simply this - I can see what him/ES are trying to do, and after some shrewd transfers and 2 upwards seasons he's deserved the chance to pull it off, whatever anyone thinks of him as a manager (and you are your usual utterly blinded self over that one, just like with MMC's qualities as a professional/person, Gordon being a good long term signing, etc, etc).

That's the difference between me and you - I'm fair minded and can put personal doubts aside when and while there's a reason to, and you're a bigot who'll never be happy with anything as long as Bruce is manager.

I'm not entering into another never ending loop of the same thing with you, where you tell me what I really think of something, that's the opposite of what I actually posted on the subject, it's pointless and boring and always ends up with me deciding you're f***ing insane.

Nighty night.

since when - i thought you said form was measured over a season?
 
Maybe Bruce should get off the fans backs and concentrate on getting his own job right first,.... then the fans may follow.
 
This is an appeal to those forum users who are so full of venom towards our manager .

Please take a little time to step back and count your blessings . Think where the club was , or perhaps you have not been around long enough to remember ? Begin to focus your attention on supporting Sunderland AFC not attacking an individual . You will feel better , you will enjoy your football more and be more willing and able to give vocal support to the players in red and white stripes .

The attack on Steve Bruce is making us the laughing stock of the football world . My contacts throughout England ( and in Newcastle ) cant believe the ignorance ( that sums it up ) , short sightedness , fickleness and hatred demonstrated by a minority of so called Sunderland supporters .

Steve Bruce is a good bloke , passionate for success at Sunderland and I believe will prove to be the best manager we have had . Steve Bruce is held in high esteem by football managers . I firmly believe that at the end of the next eight game period we will be in the top eight .If this is the case then I will be a very happy man . I look forward to getting behind the club at the next game as I have done for the last 50 years .

Should Steve Bruce go then I would imagine that the same ill feeling will go towards the next manager after a couple of years . A new manager does not guarantee success or better football .

I would suggest that the majority of the anti Steve Bruce brigade are of relatively young years and have been fed on a diet of sky highlights and the wonder of the Premeiership .

I would also suggest that many of the anti brigade take a crash course in English language . You will find that the English dictionary is full of some wonderful , thoughtful words which help you to explain your thoughts clearly and constructively . I am also amazed to at the number of experts we have out there obviouslly highly qualified in both coaching and finacial management . I wonder where I gain gain these qualifications within a couple of months ?

Aye, pack it in.
 
I know plenty non-SAFC fans - and a fair few of them are United fans, I don't know who your contacts are but I've been hard pushed to find anyone outside of SAFC who rates Steve Bruce since we appointed him. Many Mag mates have said he would have been out by now if he was at their place so if your contacts think we are a laughing stock then I think it's THEM in the minority and not those who don't believe in Bruce, because trust me mate, away from this board, I've not found a f***ing soul who wants that man to stay, and that is going back to May.
 
I know plenty non-SAFC fans - and a fair few of them are United fans, I don't know who your contacts are but I've been hard pushed to find anyone outside of SAFC who rates Steve Bruce since we appointed him. Many Mag mates have said he would have been out by now if he was at their place so if your contacts think we are a laughing stock then I think it's THEM in the minority and not those who don't believe in Bruce, because trust me mate, away from this board, I've not found a f***ing soul who wants that man to stay, and that is going back to May.

I reckon even if he takes us down the board will stick by him
 
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