An appeal please get off Steve Bruce`s back

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In 'real life' I only know one or two who back him. The vast majority I know want the bloke out.
Yep, same here.

When walking home from the match the general consensus is not one that is favourable to Bruce. Either I'm hearing people from on this place who are not the majority (apparently) or it really is a case that the minority want him to stay.
 
Actually it is sort of cherry picking, though it wasn't particularly what I was referring to originally.

Last season finished in May, and it finished on 10th over 38 games.

The team was rebuilt in the summer.

This season started in August. Slow start, but 3 PL defeats isn't suicide country in the circumstances.

That's how it is, in every respect that matters.

"2011" and "9 month period" mean nothing. They cover two seasons, two different teams, and a summer. A bad run that happened last season ended (with 3 wins from 5) and by definition isn't continuing now. So it means nothing to join those things up. There's no contextual continuity except the manager, and he's shown he's up to the job (generally) by season-on-season results. Therefore you might as well worry about what happened in 1954 as far as it regards the season that's unfolding now.

Same form, same problems, weak areas and issues not really addressed. That's the correlation betwen last season and this and that's why it's constantly and quite rightly mentioned.

Anyone not blinded by the fact we made many new signings could see that we weren't going to be strong enough going forward back in August, but we hoped we'd get one or two quality additions in before the window closed.

Back him all you want, make excuses all you want - it's going to be a long season of struggle.
 
This is an appeal to those forum users who are so full of venom towards our manager .

Please take a little time to step back and count your blessings . Think where the club was , or perhaps you have not been around long enough to remember ? Begin to focus your attention on supporting Sunderland AFC not attacking an individual . You will feel better , you will enjoy your football more and be more willing and able to give vocal support to the players in red and white stripes .

The attack on Steve Bruce is making us the laughing stock of the football world . My contacts throughout England ( and in Newcastle ) cant believe the ignorance ( that sums it up ) , short sightedness , fickleness and hatred demonstrated by a minority of so called Sunderland supporters .

Steve Bruce is a good bloke , passionate for success at Sunderland and I believe will prove to be the best manager we have had . Steve Bruce is held in high esteem by football managers . I firmly believe that at the end of the next eight game period we will be in the top eight .If this is the case then I will be a very happy man . I look forward to getting behind the club at the next game as I have done for the last 50 years .

Should Steve Bruce go then I would imagine that the same ill feeling will go towards the next manager after a couple of years . A new manager does not guarantee success or better football .

I would suggest that the majority of the anti Steve Bruce brigade are of relatively young years and have been fed on a diet of sky highlights and the wonder of the Premeiership .

I would also suggest that many of the anti brigade take a crash course in English language . You will find that the English dictionary is full of some wonderful , thoughtful words which help you to explain your thoughts clearly and constructively . I am also amazed to at the number of experts we have out there obviouslly highly qualified in both coaching and finacial management . I wonder where I gain gain these qualifications within a couple of months ?

I'll back the fat fucker when the results say so, unfortunately 4 home wins since last February is nothing short of disgraceful, we've sacked managers for a better points return than fatty has provided.
 
This is an appeal to those forum users who are so full of venom towards our manager .

Please take a little time to step back and count your blessings . Think where the club was , or perhaps you have not been around long enough to remember ? Begin to focus your attention on supporting Sunderland AFC not attacking an individual . You will feel better , you will enjoy your football more and be more willing and able to give vocal support to the players in red and white stripes .

The attack on Steve Bruce is making us the laughing stock of the football world . My contacts throughout England ( and in Newcastle ) cant believe the ignorance ( that sums it up ) , short sightedness , fickleness and hatred demonstrated by a minority of so called Sunderland supporters .

Steve Bruce is a good bloke , passionate for success at Sunderland and I believe will prove to be the best manager we have had . Steve Bruce is held in high esteem by football managers . I firmly believe that at the end of the next eight game period we will be in the top eight .If this is the case then I will be a very happy man . I look forward to getting behind the club at the next game as I have done for the last 50 years .

Should Steve Bruce go then I would imagine that the same ill feeling will go towards the next manager after a couple of years . A new manager does not guarantee success or better football .

I would suggest that the majority of the anti Steve Bruce brigade are of relatively young years and have been fed on a diet of sky highlights and the wonder of the Premeiership .

I would also suggest that many of the anti brigade take a crash course in English language . You will find that the English dictionary is full of some wonderful , thoughtful words which help you to explain your thoughts clearly and constructively . I am also amazed to at the number of experts we have out there obviouslly highly qualified in both coaching and finacial management . I wonder where I gain gain these qualifications within a couple of months ?
I have several coaching badges, can I continue having a go at him?
 
I couldn't be arsed to read the whole thread but I'm surprised no one has brought up yet that there is no way in hell that the OP has supported the lads since the 1960s like he professes to have done. The language used by him, the correction of spelling and grammar and pretense of not understanding someone when they bring up a point of view different to his own and the general happy clapping all points to late teens early 20s.

Ignoring all of that, he is still talking shite. Bruce out every time for me ;)
 
Yep, same here.

When walking home from the match the general consensus is not one that is favourable to Bruce. Either I'm hearing people from on this place who are not the majority (apparently) or it really is a case that the minority want him to stay.

Yep the ten or so people i talk about safc with in the real world want him out. I havent heard one person say they want him to stay. Infact the excuse thing is starting to rub people up the wrong way who dont get on here. Its telling that people who dont come on here are still picking up on the excuse thing.
 
Same form, same problems, weak areas and issues not really addressed. That's the correlation betwen last season and this and that's why it's constantly and quite rightly mentioned.

Anyone not blinded by the fact we made many new signings could see that we weren't going to be strong enough going forward back in August, but we hoped we'd get one or two quality additions in before the window closed.

Back him all you want, make excuses all you want - it's going to be a long season of struggle.

It isn't the same form, form is usually measured over 6 games and we were 3 from 6 at the end of last season. The 6 before that we were shite (by results anyway). All the others before that we were fine.

It isn't the same team. It isn't finished, everyone including SAFC knows that. It would have been close, but for two more acts of God - Gyan and Bramble, and he was trying to get in players for the left, but couldn't find any and is still looking. Rome wasn't built in a Summer. So that particular beating stick also vaporises quickly.

And you presumably just read the post, or any of a dozen earlier ones over months, that says I don't particularly back him, and don't expect anything other than a tough season. Oops, wrong about that too. And there are no excuses offered for anything, only facts and opinions with a high probability of being right.

My opinion is simply this - I can see what him/ES are trying to do, and after some shrewd transfers and 2 upwards seasons he's deserved the chance to pull it off, whatever anyone thinks of him as a manager (and you are your usual utterly blinded self over that one, just like with MMC's qualities as a professional/person, Gordon being a good long term signing, etc, etc).

That's the difference between me and you - I'm fair minded and can put personal doubts aside when and while there's a reason to, and you're a bigot who'll never be happy with anything as long as Bruce is manager.

I'm not entering into another never ending loop of the same thing with you, where you tell me what I really think of something, that's the opposite of what I actually posted on the subject, it's pointless and boring and always ends up with me deciding you're f***ing insane.

Nighty night.
 
Excellent post.

And so obvious in facts and context that it should be quoted time and time again to the baying crowd.

At the risk of sounding like Rafa Benitez;

26 points out of a possible 75 - fact
3 home wins in 2011 - fact
3 squad rebuilds in 3 summers - fact
No recognised left back at the club - fact
No recognised left winger at the club - fact
FA cup exit at home to Notts County - fact
League cup exit to Brighton, whilst playing 0 strikers - fact
Deserved, but slightly fortuitous 10th place finish - fact

Our squad may well be larger than last year, but is it stronger?
Our away form may well be better than under previous managers, but could it really get worse?

Despite 3 rebuilds, we are still woefully lacking in certain areas. Our team/squad lacks pace, creativity and direction. This is Bruce's squad now, and the results and performances are not good enough
 
At the risk of sounding like Rafa Benitez;

26 points out of a possible 75 - fact
3 home wins in 2011 - fact
3 squad rebuilds in 3 summers - fact
No recognised left back at the club - fact
No recognised left winger at the club - fact
FA cup exit at home to Notts County - fact
League cup exit to Brighton, whilst playing 0 strikers - fact
Deserved, but slightly fortuitous 10th place finish - fact

Our squad may well be larger than last year, but is it stronger?
Our away form may well be better than under previous managers, but could it really get worse?

Despite 3 rebuilds, we are still woefully lacking in certain areas. Our team/squad lacks pace, creativity and direction. This is Bruce's squad now, and the results and performances are not good enough

Did you think Keane was a better manager?
 
It isn't the same form, form is usually measured over 6 games and we were 3 from 6 at the end of last season. The 6 before that we were shite (by results anyway). All the others before that we were fine.

It isn't the same team. It isn't finished, everyone including SAFC knows that. It would have been close, but for two more acts of God - Gyan and Bramble, and he was trying to get in players for the left, but couldn't find any and is still looking. Rome wasn't built in a Summer. So that particular beating stick also vaporises quickly.

And you presumably just read the post, or any of a dozen earlier ones over months, that says I don't particularly back him, and don't expect anything other than a tough season. Oops, wrong about that too. And there are no excuses offered for anything, only facts and opinions with a high probability of being right.

My opinion is simply this - I can see what him/ES are trying to do, and after some shrewd transfers and 2 upwards seasons he's deserved the chance to pull it off, whatever anyone thinks of him as a manager (and you are your usual utterly blinded self over that one, just like with MMC's qualities as a professional/person, Gordon being a good long term signing, etc, etc).

That's the difference between me and you - I'm fair minded and can put personal doubts aside when and while there's a reason to, and you're a bigot who'll never be happy with anything as long as Bruce is manager.

I'm not entering into another never ending loop of the same thing with you, where you tell me what I really think of something, that's the opposite of what I actually posted on the subject, it's pointless and boring and always ends up with me deciding you're f***ing insane.

Nighty night.

I think that if we go through last season from 18th December, you will find that what you have in that last post in incorrect. The fact that we finished tenth is now IRRELEVANT due to the poor (no! very poor) form since 18th December we are now in October and we face Arsenal (not the force they were) and Bolton away. We should be looking forward to four points from those and then we have Villa at the SOL, it could well be 4 wins in 11 months at home after that. Surely, if we don't beat Bolton then Short will see sense.
 
Did you think Keane was a better manager?

Not really, but then again I don't see the connection.

1 is supposedly a highly experienced manager in this league, with a fantastic scouting network.
The other was someone in his 1st managerial position starting everything from scratch, who took over a team bottom of the league, won the league in that season and then kept the team up the next season.
 
Did you think Keane was a better manager?

He was just another second rater, just like every one appointed in my time. That is the common denominator in all our years of struggle, we don't ever go for the best. No, I don't know if they would come here or not but I don't believe that we have made a serious attempt to get a really top man.
 
Not really, but then again I don't see the connection.

1 is supposedly a highly experienced manager in this league, with a fantastic scouting network.
The other was someone in his 1st managerial position starting everything from scratch, who took over a team bottom of the league, won the league in that season and then kept the team up the next season.

The connection is that you keep going on about Bruce rebuilding the squad each season, but (without checking) I'd guess Keane did it more. Perhaps there are reasons, and stepping stones.

Agreed - Keane did well over 2 seasons. As has Bruce. You can nitpick the details with either of them, but that's the bottom line for both of them.
 
He was just another second rater, just like every one appointed in my time. That is the common denominator in all our years of struggle, we don't ever go for the best. No, I don't know if they would come here or not but I don't believe that we have made a serious attempt to get a really top man.

Big Mac would probably be the biggest name we've attracted. He'd turned down the Newcastle and Man Utd jobs before joining us.
 
Did you think Keane was a better manager?

They're much of the same. The only difference is, Bruce was given more money and as we'd managed to remain in the league we could then attract a better calibre of player.

Bruce's success has basically been down to Bent scoring a tonne of goals. He's completely relied on signings. Tactics and general motivation has just gone out of the window.

He can't stop a rot as well. How long has this poor form and crap, unentertaining football gone on for? Since January!!!
 
It isn't the same form, form is usually measured over 6 games and we were 3 from 6 at the end of last season. The 6 before that we were shite (by results anyway). All the others before that we were fine.

It isn't the same team. It isn't finished, everyone including SAFC knows that. It would have been close, but for two more acts of God - Gyan and Bramble, and he was trying to get in players for the left, but couldn't find any and is still looking. Rome wasn't built in a Summer. So that particular beating stick also vaporises quickly.

And you presumably just read the post, or any of a dozen earlier ones over months, that says I don't particularly back him, and don't expect anything other than a tough season. Oops, wrong about that too. And there are no excuses offered for anything, only facts and opinions with a high probability of being right.

My opinion is simply this - I can see what him/ES are trying to do, and after some shrewd transfers and 2 upwards seasons he's deserved the chance to pull it off, whatever anyone thinks of him as a manager (and you are your usual utterly blinded self over that one, just like with MMC's qualities as a professional/person, Gordon being a good long term signing, etc, etc).

That's the difference between me and you - I'm fair minded and can put personal doubts aside when and while there's a reason to, and you're a bigot who'll never be happy with anything as long as Bruce is manager.

I'm not entering into another never ending loop of the same thing with you, where you tell me what I really think of something, that's the opposite of what I actually posted on the subject, it's pointless and boring and always ends up with me deciding you're f***ing insane.

Nighty night.

Form is measured over six games? Since when? :lol:

Doesn't matter if it's not the same team or if it's not finished. The manager is two and a bit years in, it should be a damn sight better than what it is when you consider what he's spent on assembling it. It should resemble a team with direction and a plan, not constantly being changed to find some kind of balance - this isn't Alex Ferguson or Moyes or some long term manager rebuilding an ageing squad, it's a manager constantly changing his team (and his mind) without actually building anything.

And no, with Gyan and Bramble it would still not have been close - that's the frigging point. He and you can use those examples but neither player was playing well anyway. Even if you ignore that and assume they'd have come back into form and we'd still have got Bendtner, even with them we'd have still lacked a left side and quality in central midfield.

I can see what they've been trying to do too. However the manager is failing and has failed to bring in the required quality, not to move us on, but to even keep us at the same kind of level and this season will see more than a flirt with relegation, it's going to be a battle. Just like yourself when you commented on Gordon instantly, I dont have to wait till Novemeber/December or later to know that. I can do the same and tell you that now and that players like Gardener aren't good enough, that he has no idea how to use Sess, that we wont score enough goals, that we've a plethora of central midfield players but none who have a rounded enough game to play the way the manager wants to, that we have no balance or width and that we're a slow team going forward. I can also tell you whilst this remains we'll start to struggle more defensively as we lose confidence and that Bruce will blame injuries and Bramble's abscence on this, ignoring how three defenders in the squad he's bought or gave contracts through can't/wont be used as they're shite, so Laing will at some point be played, whether it's the right time for him or not and if he suffers Bruce will play the blame game again.

That's nothing personal against Steve Bruce or something I've made up as a case against him because I don't like him, it's simply true (and in the case of Laing, based on exactly the same happening with Henderson when he wouldn't play Zenden or Riveros).

As for you being fair minded :lol:
 
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