Americans see Jozy a lot differently than we do, don't they.


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He also went nearly 2 years without an international goal.

Granted he scored a hattrick against Bosnia and scored once against Germany, but they were friendlies, it just isn't the same as a proper competitive game.

You also get to see the USA, playing such mighty teams like Panama, Belize, Cuba, Guatemala, Jamaica etc
And? He does the job. I didn't say anything in regards to Sunderland. He also gets to play with proper footballers with the USA. Klinsmann actually has a style that isn't kicking the ball around the box and hoping something magically happens. Sergio f***ing Aguero wouldn't score in this setup.
 
Doesn't hold the ball up well, doesn't harass defenders, doesn't use his physical strength, seems to have absolutely no strikers instinct whatsoever.

Really hope he comes good but judging on what we've seen of him so far, he looks absolutely dreadful.
 
And? He does the job. I didn't say anything in regards to Sunderland. He also gets to play with proper footballers with the USA. Klinsmann actually has a style that isn't kicking the ball around the box and hoping something magically happens. Sergio f***ing Aguero wouldn't score in this setup.

Have you watched him consistently since he signed for Sunderland?

Now, while service at the best times isn't great, there is no hiding his very poor finishing.
 
And? He does the job. I didn't say anything in regards to Sunderland. He also gets to play with proper footballers with the USA. Klinsmann actually has a style that isn't kicking the ball around the box and hoping something magically happens. Sergio f***ing Aguero wouldn't score in this setup.
Aguero would have buried Altidore's chance on Saturday. As would Daryl Murphy. And Jon Stead. Probably Rada Prica too.
 
It's not something most football supporters can understand, this support of a player whereever he plays because he is of the same nationality.

Owen Hargreaves, for example, is from my home town, Calgary here in Canada, but i didn;t feel any desire to have supported him..thought he was over hyped and a bit of a tit actually. But then I grew up supporting sunderland and not individual players. Of course there are a few who have played their way into our hearts, but that is because of what they hve done for us during their careers…players like Hurley, Monty, Kerr, Halom, Rowell, Marco, Phillips

Seems a particularly American thing, this support the player attitude. These boards arent full of Italians supporting Borini for example..
 
Why would anyone expect an American to see Altidore the same way as the English do? If one of your hometown players (e.g. Henderson) went abroad to Germany, Italy, or Spain and struggled would you slag the player or the club. Generally speaking people protect their own and blame the "outsiders."
 
Why would anyone expect an American to see Altidore the same way as the English do? If one of your hometown players (e.g. Henderson) went abroad to Germany, Italy, or Spain and struggled would you slag the player or the club. Generally speaking people protect their own and blame the "outsiders."
You should've put home boys or homies not home town

All the yanks be in uproar on here now marra
 
Why would anyone expect an American to see Altidore the same way as the English do? If one of your hometown players (e.g. Henderson) went abroad to Germany, Italy, or Spain and struggled would you slag the player or the club. Generally speaking people protect their own and blame the "outsiders."

Not in England mate, we f***ing relish the chance to slag off our own. Henderson is a perfect example of that.

Having said that, it's been clear to me from very early in the season that Altidore will not score goals in this league. He has some qualities but he simply lacks the intelligence, movement, clinical finishing and overall quality to be a regular goalscorer in this league, no matter what the service from midfield is like. We cannot afford to carry a non-scoring striker, if we stick with Altidore up-front we will 100% be relegated.
 
You should've put home boys or homies not home town

All the yanks be in uproar on here now marra

I was trying to the least offensive as possible. This board has been pretty touchy the past month and I don't want to incite another ridiculous debate about war, Nobel peace prize winners, or racism. ;)
 
I think we would only see the best of Jozy if we got him on one on one races with defenders facing their own goal. Unfortunately, we don't play those type of through balls.
 
Not in England mate, we f***ing relish the chance to slag off our own. Henderson is a perfect example of that.

Having said that, it's been clear to me from very early in the season that Altidore will not score goals in this league. He has some qualities but he simply lacks the intelligence, movement, clinical finishing and overall quality to be a regular goalscorer in this league, no matter what the service from midfield is like. We cannot afford to carry a non-scoring striker, if we stick with Altidore up-front we will 100% be relegated.

I have mixed feelings on it. I think his movement in the box is shitty but part of it is the whole team is very static. I think he would be better if we counterattacked more. Take the non-goal against Arsenal. It happens because he is one-on-one with the defender. His physicality will let him beat one defender but his lack of tactical awareness will not let him beat 4 defenders.

Ki and Catts need to drive the ball forward when they recover the ball instead of passing it back and forth and letting the defense settle. Altidore needs more space. He won't get it if the defense is able to put 10 behind the ball.
 
I feel that in a team with a quality midfield he plays very well. He's not Ronaldo or messi yet people on smb want him to create and score regularly with scraps. Yes he's missed a couple chances and he's still raw, but the bashing he takes is shameful.
I talked to a friend of mine who is a former coach at Fulham/Tottenham and he told me prior to the season that Sunderland was not a good fit because the team was not built to his style of play. He stated that Jozy needs creativity/vision in the midfield in order to excel. Everywhere he has had success is hinged upon the strength of the midfield in the final third.
It's really sad that he has been called plank, amongst other things. It's very unfortunate. I hope that he can have a great 2014 for Sunderland and if not move on to a team that has the qualities he needs to succeed...
 
It's not something most football supporters can understand, this support of a player whereever he plays because he is of the same nationality.

Owen Hargreaves, for example, is from my home town, Calgary here in Canada, but i didn;t feel any desire to have supported him..thought he was over hyped and a bit of a tit actually. But then I grew up supporting sunderland and not individual players. Of course there are a few who have played their way into our hearts, but that is because of what they hve done for us during their careers…players like Hurley, Monty, Kerr, Halom, Rowell, Marco, Phillips

Seems a particularly American thing, this support the player attitude. These boards arent full of Italians supporting Borini for example..

Everton have a fair few Irish players on their books, once Sunderland get a positive result against them i couldn't give a toss how the likes of Coleman or McCarthy play.

On the other side of that, anytime Sunderland are not coming up against a team that has an Irish international in their ranks, i'm genuinely very happy to hear that Long for example has done well in a game. My loyalty to Sunderland is never in question, but i'd consider myself to a pretty big Ireland fan (home and away) so it means more to me to see an Irish lad do well than your average barstool fan.
 
Threads like this shouldn't be started. It just invades the board with all these yanks who've come from nowhere. We should peddle Dozy for that alone
 
I see him as way out of form and confidence.
Think the team situation and coaching/tactical changes have effected him.
He is capable of goals, because I've seen them.
 
I feel that in a team with a quality midfield he plays very well. He's not Ronaldo or messi yet people on smb want him to create and score regularly with scraps. Yes he's missed a couple chances and he's still raw, but the bashing he takes is shameful.
I talked to a friend of mine who is a former coach at Fulham/Tottenham and he told me prior to the season that Sunderland was not a good fit because the team was not built to his style of play. He stated that Jozy needs creativity/vision in the midfield in order to excel. Everywhere he has had success is hinged upon the strength of the midfield in the final third.
It's really sad that he has been called plank, amongst other things. It's very unfortunate. I hope that he can have a great 2014 for Sunderland and if not move on to a team that has the qualities he needs to succeed...

That's being generous.

If there is no defender around you and you're through on goal in Holland what is the difference between being able to score there and not in England?

He isn't of the required standard to build a team around in a top league, the only places he's has "success" were in the MLS and in Holland.

It most certainly won't be in a top league anyway.
 
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