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Ya, you lads choose to see what you want. The squad has scored more goals and played better with Altidore in it. Is he a great player? No, but the squad plays better with him in it. If Gus had a bit of sense he would pair him up top with someone else so he wouldn't be so isolated to see if it could work.
We also had more confidence, Johnson scoring and were still in the cups
 
to think swansea got michu for a couple million and we paid almost four times as much for this donkey. why dont we try shopping in the bottom half of the spanish league? more chance of picking up a gem there
 
Ya, you lads choose to see what you want. The squad has scored more goals and played better with Altidore in it. Is he a great player? No, but the squad plays better with him in it. If Gus had a bit of sense he would pair him up top with someone else so he wouldn't be so isolated to see if it could work.

If you're breaking football down in to a set of simpleton statistics which mean the square root of fuck all, then yes. If you assume that football is a little bit more complicated than that and you have to be a complete cretin to put any stall in said statistics, then no.

We are bottom of the table and Jozy has stunk the place out, that's all that matters.
 
We also had more confidence, Johnson scoring and were still in the cups
Maybe. I still think system plays a big role in how shitty has has been. The US plays either a 442 or 4231 with Dempsey as the other striker/attacking mid. AZ had a 433 with Maher as a number 10. I just think if you player him with another striker/attacking mid you get a lot more out of him. In limited time with Fletcher or Wickham, he has looked good this year.[DOUBLEPOST=1396974453][/DOUBLEPOST]
If you're breaking football down in to a set of simpleton statistics which mean the square root of fuck all, then yes. If you assume that football is a little bit more complicated than that and you have to be a complete cretin to put any stall in said statistics, then no.

We are bottom of the table and Jozy has stunk the place out, that's all that matters.

You are kidding right? Half on here say "He didn't score. He's shite." That is a way more simpleton approach than anything I have said.
 
You are kidding right? Half on here say "He didn't score. He's shite." That is a way more simpleton approach than anything I have said.

True enough, scoring goals is not the only barometer.

But if you add 'lazy', 'immobile', 'struggles to control a football', 'unable to pass a football' and 'as strong as a syphilitic kitten', then the case starts to build.
 
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First thing is to remove the cup games, but I'm sure you could find a similar stat with some other random outfield player.

It may come as a surprise but football is a team game. I don't care who GP puts on the pitch as long as the team is performing and getting results. We have 25 points. Larsson (25), Altidore (24) and Colback (22) helped to win almost all of them. From Boxing Day to Feb 1 the team went 4-2-1 and scored 13 goals in PL games and was 3-1 in Cup games. Altidore and Colback played in all seven PL games and Larsson in six. Altidore played in all four Cup games, Colback and Larsson in three. Since those three players fell out of favour we are 0-1-6 with 4 goals in the PL. That's a stat that has nothing to do with the perceived worth of any individual player. The team has been changed in favour of GP's signings and it isn't working. We have seven games to secure the points necessary to stay up. It makes eminent sense to play the players that got you the points you have whether you or the fans rate them or not.
 
It may come as a surprise but football is a team game. I don't care who GP puts on the pitch as long as the team is performing and getting results. We have 25 points. Larsson (25), Altidore (24) and Colback (22) helped to win almost all of them. From Boxing Day to Feb 1 the team went 4-2-1 and scored 13 goals in PL games and was 3-1 in Cup games. Altidore and Colback played in all seven PL games and Larsson in six. Altidore played in all four Cup games, Colback and Larsson in three. Since those three players fell out of favour we are 0-1-6 with 4 goals in the PL. That's a stat that has nothing to do with the perceived worth of any individual player. The team has been changed in favour of GP's signings and it isn't working. We have seven games to secure the points necessary to stay up. It makes eminent sense to play the players that got you the points you have whether you or the fans rate them or not.

And boom goes the dynamite.
 
Sunderland total vs. EPL opposition (league & cups) = 3660 minutes = 38 goals

Altidore on the field:
1969 minutes = 27 goals = 1 goal every 72.93 minutes (or 1.23 goals per 90 minutes)

Altidore not on the field:
1691 minutes = 11 goals = 1 goal every 153.72 minutes (or .56 goals per 90 minutes


but lets send him to the u-21s

Aye really showed them how to do it last night, you have now got another fantastic set of stats saying the same thing about him at that level. Wish we had a player like that.

Do we start "Dozy The Worst Striker in the Championship" yet.
 
Maybe. I still think system plays a big role in how shitty has has been. The US plays either a 442 or 4231 with Dempsey as the other striker/attacking mid. AZ had a 433 with Maher as a number 10. I just think if you player him with another striker/attacking mid you get a lot more out of him. In limited time with Fletcher or Wickham, he has looked good this year.[DOUBLEPOST=1396974453][/DOUBLEPOST]

You are kidding right? Half on here say "He didn't score. He's shite." That is a way more simpleton approach than anything I have said.
Where I agree with you is what you've said all along: the problem in our team is creating chances. Unfortunately, Altidore just doesnt look like a premier league footballer. It isn't working out for him here and no other PL club is going to take a chance on him after 3 goals in 2 seasons.
 
True enough, scoring goals is not the only barometer.

But if you add 'lazy', 'immobile', 'struggles to control a football', 'unable to pass a football' and 'as strong as a syphilitic kitten', then the case starts to build.

I have no objection with lazy, immobile, and struggles to control the football, but he is the best passing striker and strongest striker in the squad.[DOUBLEPOST=1396975883][/DOUBLEPOST]
Where I agree with you is what you've said all along: the problem in our team is creating chances. Unfortunately, Altidore just doesnt look like a premier league footballer. It isn't working out for him here and no other PL club is going to take a chance on him after 3 goals in 2 seasons.

Agree, 100%. He has looked poor and it is doubtful he gets another prem chance. I just think the situation hasn't all been his fault. Poyet has made him look worse than he really is.
 
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I have no objection with lazy, immobile, and struggles to control the football, but he is the best passing striker and strongest striker in the squad.[DOUBLEPOST=1396975883][/DOUBLEPOST]

Agree, 100%. He has looked poor and it is doubtful he gets another prem chance. I just think the situation hasn't all been his fault. Poyet has made him look worse than he really is.
You know his potential better than us. I cant blame him for being shite ;) a finisher would look hopeless in our side as we don't create and don't have enough pace or guile to get players into the box with the ball.
 
He's an embarrassment

It's weird cos wasn't he reported as being a pure finisher type goal scorer? I know the Eredivisie is poor but we haven't seen any of those fundamentals whatsoever
 
Altidore on the field:
1969 minutes = 27 goals = 1 goal every 72.93 minutes (or 1.23 goals per 90 minutes)

Altidore not on the field:
1691 minutes = 11 goals = 1 goal every 153.72 minutes (or .56 goals per 90 minutes

How's this one.
Seems to me like everyone else is doing his job of scoring goals to me.
 
He's an embarrassment

It's weird cos wasn't he reported as being a pure finisher type goal scorer? I know the Eredivisie is poor but we haven't seen any of those fundamentals whatsoever
LMFAO. What finisher would succeed on this squad mate. Not messi or Ronaldo would have success on this shit team.
 
It's brilliant the lengths people go to to criticise him are impressive, no one is saying Altidore is a good player we simply play better with him in the team whether coincidence or not.
 
It's brilliant the lengths people go to to criticise him are impressive, no one is saying Altidore is a good player we simply play better with him in the team whether coincidence or not.
It's amazing how hard it is to get people to accept obvious things they don't wish to accept.
 
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