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Yes, I understand why you'd want a better manager, but I don't get the hate for Bruce. It's not his fault he's a bang average mananger. He's not done much worse than Rafa and not had the same level of investment or say in signings,
That's not true mate. Bruce convinced Newcastle to pay £20m for Wilson, bring in Fraser, Hendrick, Lewis, etc. Benitez was allowed to build in the Championship, but his hands were tied in the Premier League.
but Rafa is still popular with the majority of your fans. And no one holds that relegation against Shearer. What's so awful about Bruce, especially considering he is a Geordie and NUFC fan, doing his (limited) best?
No one blames Shearer or Benitez for their relegations because the damage had already been done in both those seasons. (I know some of your managers managed a great escape).

Bruce just didn't ever endear himself to the fans. Always blaming someone else for the failings on the pitch, having digs at the fans, and honestly, the football was on the whole some of the worst I've seen in my life.
Also, your current squad is horrible. There's only 2 or 3 of them worth keeping and your marquee signing (that Bruce had nowt to do with) is probably pound for pound the worst value signing in your history.
There's only a few that would get into other Premier League teams' first 11s. But he still had them playing beneath themselves.
 
There was a small manager bounce when he took over but the real change was when he brought in Fletcher, N'Diaye,Wayne Bridge and he who shall no longer be named in January
One of the biggest changes was actually playing McClean, Bruce constantly ignored him and senior players asking for him to be involved.
There were in his second season though weren't they?
Fletcher and Johnson were both summer signings at least, you might be right about N'Diaye as well actually.
 
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Football side should be set up to either score more than the opposition, control the ball so they can't score, or defend well so they don't score.

Benitez had a squad built for promotion and safety. The defence was well drilled, the team worked hard, but were limited.

We were pragmatic and surrendered possession, but there was a clear plan. Perez harass the back line, hit Rondon with long balls, force attackers into a compact centre, reduce opportunities inside the box. We were set up to defend well so the opposition don't score.

Under Bruce we were passive, surrendered possession, and there's one plan; get it to Saint-Maximin. We're so easy to play through, we concede soft goals and rely on a moment of inspiration from Wilson, or ASM and the 'keeper to pull off top performance.

DefenceGoals againstOffensive
SeasonPosTeamMWDLGGAPTSxGxGAxPTSShots pgTackles pgInterceptions pgFouls pgOffsides pgOpen PlayCounter AttackSet PiecePenaltyOwn GoalShots pgShots OT pgDribbles pgFouled pg
2018​
10​
Newcastle United
38​
12​
8​
18​
39​
47​
44​
44.63​
52.47​
46.24​
12.6​
16.9​
11.6​
10.8​
1.7​
35​
1​
4​
4​
3​
11.9​
3.9​
8​
9.7​
2019​
13​
Newcastle United
38​
12​
9​
17​
42​
48​
45​
39.91​
57.55​
39.22​
12.9​
18.8​
13.3​
11.1​
1.6​
26​
2​
13​
6​
1​
11.7​
3.7​
6.2​
8.7​
2020​
13​
Newcastle United
38​
11​
11​
16​
38​
58​
44​
36.49​
67.03​
31.92​
14.9​
15.9​
10.3​
9.7​
2​
35​
4​
15​
2​
2​
10.5​
3.5​
10.5​
11.1​
2021​
12​
Newcastle United
38​
12​
9​
17​
46​
62​
45​
43.96​
60.02​
42.65​
15.1​
13.5​
9.5​
10.2​
1.5​
41​
6​
8​
4​
3​
10.4​
3.7​
9.2​
11.1​

Just a few performance metrics, but they show a clear regression in terms of chance creation, chances allows, defensive actions, attacking actions. It's only really dribbles and numbers of times we're fouled that've 'improved'. But I guess that's what having Allan Saint-Maximin can do for a side.
Yet wins, points and position wise they're almost identical.
You can waffle on all you like about being pragmatic, Perez harassing the back line and forcing attackers into a compact centre.
Who you trying to convince me or yourself?
Just admit it man, you liked Rafa because he was a big name, end of.
 
Yet wins, points and position wise they're almost identical.
You can waffle on all you like about being pragmatic, Perez harassing the back line and forcing attackers into a compact centre.
Who you trying to convince me or yourself?
Just admit it man, you liked Rafa because he was a big name, end of.
:lol:

"You can use facts and evidenced based opinions, but I think it's got nowt to do with all that so I'm going to grub for those delicious internet points instead."

You crack on Binxy, you crack on.
 
I don't really understand the comparisons to Benitez tbh.

Rafa made a profit whilst there, whereas Bruce's net spend was >£100m.

Even with Bruce spending loads more he could only equal Benitez' tenure.

Not to mention when you look into the stats during the spells in charge Bruce's is abysmal.

We all know Rafa is better manager than Bruce.
Personally, the reason I like point out how similar their records are is it really, really winds them up.
Even their weight is similar.
 
We all know Rafa is better manager than Bruce.
Personally, the reason I like point out how similar their records are is it really, really winds them up.
Even their weight is similar.
Everyone knows Rafa is a far superior manager than owld Cabbage heed.

Why can't they just admit they worshipped him because he's a big name?
 
You comfortable with the latest story of child kidnap because they can’t murder the father because this regime might bring you football success ? Seriously ? It’s that simple ?
They’re ruined mate. Any vestige of human decency or empathy they may ever have had has been bought and paid for with blood money and maybe some decent players. Horrible to see mate. Sickening.
 
Everyone knows Rafa is a far superior manager than owld Cabbage heed.

Why can't they just admit they worshipped him because he's a big name?

Oh aye, they would rather be associated with someone who won the champions league over someone that little Sunderland sacked.
I suppose we were possibly the same with Roy Keane, as he was associated with success, he gets away with more.
 
Does anybody actually believe this?

"We aren't owned by KSA. We are owned by an investment group. The PL made that very clear in order to approve the deal."

So if there is "separation"...?

How do they explain away the fact that the private jet(s) used to fly the assassins (who were MBS's bodyguards)? from the KSA to Turkey? to murder the journalist Jamal Khashoggi? In the SA consulate? were actually purchased by the PIF?

That's some pretty strong hallucinogenic herb they're smoking...
 
Jesus Christ the mags really do not like being hated do they :lol: . Conveniently forgetting they were all singing Graeme Jones black and white army when they won a game and Bruce out when they lost.

Rafa had no money to spend :lol: The fucker spend 50million to get them out of the championship


The fact is he wasn't very good and if he'd done better he wouldn't be out of a job so quickly.
It's weird why he always gets compared to Benitez. I don't think I recall any other managers constantly getting compared to their predecessor over two years later. But that's the conversation, Bruce vs Benitez. Was never Benitez vs McClaren, or Pardew vs Hughton.
 
So if there is "separation"...?

How do they explain away the fact that the private jet(s) used to fly the assassins (who were MBS's bodyguards)? from the KSA to Turkey? to murder the journalist Jamal Khashoggi? In the SA consulate? were actually purchased by the PIF?

That's some pretty strong hallucinogenic herb they're smoking...

Like Al Capone it will be something else that trips them up. The Saudi Monetary Authority also "recently" transferred 40bn USD from the FX reserves to PIF....but yet they say they are separate.
 
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