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Not trying to shame anyone. I am just expressing amazement at how little outrage is shown by your fans. I think the response from many club's fans would be very different. I guess what gets me is that you want to be everyone's mate on the music thread yet you want to tar everyone with your 'lack of morals when it comes to football' brush.

I have not said you can't support your club but cannot believe you aren't uncomfortable with being owned by the man who ordered the murder of Jamal Khashoggi. You even suggested you had an ignorance of Saudi crimes. Not even you could be unaware of the worldwide outrage at that murder.

By the way it's 'your' not 'you're'.

I have opinions on both football and music. Some you’ll agree some you won’t. If that’s trying to be matey then that’s up to you.

The top and bottom of it is with this one is that despite all of this newly discovered outrage, you know as well as I do that Sunderland and every other club in the land would start getting sell out crowds if they were bought out by a global super power.
Of course, it’s entirely up to you if you want to call people out on that.
 
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Aye but we didn’t spit on him like they did Robson.

Why on earth would a club build a statue of a man who never played for them and won nothing at all while being their manager.

What crazy club would do that kind of thing.

Perhaps the reflective glory from SB's playing career of 3 x PL, 3 x FA Cups, 2 x FLC, 1 x ECWC will reflect on SJP in the same way that BR's 1 x UEFA, 1 x ECWC, 4 x league titles, 1 x FA Cup reflect on SJP's......

Both of two things in common: (i) both won nothing whilst at Newcastle; (ii) both won silverware elsewhere.
 
Time really will tell if the squad is better than it’s shown

In my view your defence and central midfield are very much championship standard

You could be in bother by January


That defence was the joint 7th best in the league when he arrived.
In the 2 and a bit seasons since, no other premier league team has conceded more league goals.

So with good coaching and organisation it is certainly capable of being more than it is now, in my opinion.

I think a lot of the stuff that is said, this team is bad, the players are bad.... It's reflective of Steve Bruce making them look much worse than they are. They're not world beaters but with proper coaching they're better than this.
 
That defence was the joint 7th best in the league when he arrived.
In the 2 and a bit seasons since, no other premier league team has conceded more league goals.

So with good coaching and organisation it is certainly capable of being more than it is now, in my opinion.

I think a lot of the stuff that is said, this team is bad, the players are bad.... It's reflective of Steve Bruce making them look much worse than they are. They're not world beaters but with proper coaching they're better than this.
... we said this yer kna.

The parallels with his tenure here are striking.
 
... we said this yer kna.

The parallels with his tenure here are striking.

Aston Villa as well. There big fanbases all have similar opinions. Heard quotes from a Villa fan saying to understand Steve Bruce you have to live Steve Bruce. To the outsiders, pundits etc it is always he's a good bloke, he's a decent manager, he's unfairly treated by fans. But it's crap football and being a victim and endless excuses that make him disliked by fanbases.
All the clubs he's been at... all the fans can't be wrong can they?
 
I have opinions on both football and music. Some you’ll agree some you won’t. If that’s trying to be matey then that’s up to you.

The top and bottom of it is with this one is that despite all of this newly discovered outrage, you know as well as I do that Sunderland and every other club in the land would start getting sell out crowds if they were bought out by a global super power.
Of course, it’s entirely up to you if you want to call people out on that.
I disgree. There would be far more outrage at being taken over by this awful regime. As for 'newly discovered outrage' were you not outraged by the murder of Khashoggi? My main problem is this idea you and other Mags that we all have shit or non-existent morals when it comes to our clubs. I certainly would not be going back if this murderer bought Sunderland. I certainly don't 'know as well as you do' as I feel I have very different values to you.

And, as I've said, I think the likes of Everton or Arsenal would have blocked this takeover had it been mooted. You appear to have no problems with it so lets end with a simple question. Are you uncomfortable with being owned by a murderer and someone who runs a, to be frank, evil regime? If you claim you didn't know about it in the past you do now.
 
Aston Villa as well. There big fanbases all have similar opinions. Heard quotes from a Villa fan saying to understand Steve Bruce you have to live Steve Bruce. To the outsiders, pundits etc it is always he's a good bloke, he's a decent manager, he's unfairly treated by fans. But it's crap football and being a victim and endless excuses that make him disliked by fanbases.
All the clubs he's been at... all the fans can't be wrong can they?
Whey aye. He won't accept responsibility for anything.
My point was though that we thought our team was decent and he was shit, but the fact is he'd filled our team with absolute plodders who we couldn't shift for love nor money.
 
I don't really understand the comparisons to Benitez tbh.

Rafa made a profit whilst there, whereas Bruce's net spend was >£100m.

Even with Bruce spending loads more he could only equal Benitez' tenure.

Not to mention when you look into the stats during the spells in charge Bruce's is abysmal.
Net spend is just the result of shite recruitment. Benitez took on a squad that had just had a massive spend on it. sold a few players for 100m and reinvest the money for nil spend. Bruce inherited a load of shite that wasn’t good enough and had no resale value. no wonder he had to spend more.
 
I disgree. There would be far more outrage at being taken over by this awful regime. As for 'newly discovered outrage' were you not outraged by the murder of Khashoggi? My main problem is this idea you and other Mags that we all have shit or non-existent morals when it comes to our clubs. I certainly would not be going back if this murderer bought Sunderland. I certainly don't 'know as well as you do' as I feel I have very different values to you.

And, as I've said, I think the likes of Everton or Arsenal would have blocked this takeover had it been mooted. You appear to have no problems with it so lets end with a simple question. Are you uncomfortable with being owned by a murderer and someone who runs a, to be frank, evil regime? If you claim you didn't know about it in the past you do now.

It’s entirely subjective who’s have the most ‘outraged fans’ and I very much disagree that Everton or Arsenal would have blocked a takeover.

also, ok, for the benefit of doubt I believe you’d Chuck it if you and not us were bought by the Saudis, but nothing would convince me that just like we did, as an overall fan base you’d likewise be clambering for tickets and dreaming / fantasising what potentially lies ahead. Would there be the outrage directed at your fellow Sunderland fans who go and back the takeover or is it easier to be more vocally outraged when it’s your nearest and dearest it happens to ??

to answer your question regarding am I comfortable with it all, then after reading up a bit then no I’m probably not, however I’m certainly not uncomfortable enough to stop being excited about it.
 
Whey aye. He won't accept responsibility for anything.
My point was though that we thought our team was decent and he was shit, but the fact is he'd filled our team with absolute plodders who we couldn't shift for love nor money.

ONeill came in and improved the team a lot though didn't he? At least at first anyway. I remember thinking he'd do quite well there and it looked like he was going to
To be fair, Rafa playing 8 at the back did provide a fairly tight defensive unit.

Not much difference in approach between either, both have tried to be hard to beat, one was better than the other at organising a defence. The point still stands that with better coaching and organisation the same set of players can improve vastly.
Look at the difference at Chelsea between Lampard and Tuchel. It took about a fortnight for Chelsea to become absolutely class. That's just an example and I'm not saying Newcastle players are anywhere near Chelsea standard.
But they are still capable of more than what Steve Bruce gets from them.
 
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ONeill came in and improved the team a lot though didn't he? At least at first anyway. I remember thinking he'd do quite well there and it looked like he was going to


Not much difference in approach between either, both have tried to be hard to beat, one was better than the other at organising a defence. The point still stands that with better coaching and organisation the same set of players can improve vastly.
Look at the difference at Chelsea between Lampard and Tuchel. It took about a fortnight for Chelsea to become absolutely class. That's just an example and I'm not saying Newcastle players are anywhere near Chelsea standard.
But they are still capable of more than what Steve Bruce gets from them.
Only time will tell. But I'm not so sure. Guess we will find out come may.
 
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