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plausible..... they way they were greeting the arriving ship was like worshipping a god or something.
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plausible..... they way they were greeting the arriving ship was like worshipping a god or something.
johnnyat87
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Based on the fact the original crashed ship in Alien crashed thousands of years earlier David can't have created the original Xenomorphs.... unless he is Scott tearing up the timeline.
The murial showing the Xenomorhps, face huggers etc. in Prometheus also suggests they had been developed before. I think David is just meant to have effectively copied the methodology/work of the Engineers (or whoever they were) and ended up at a similar place... although it wasn't exactly the same Xeno as the originals
Still many questions, but two more films for them to either answer those questions or make it more confusing.
Yankee Mackem
Striker
Looked to me like society had regressed. Technology being a remnant of their former glory. The docking claw being an example of this. Millions of years had passed since they seeded earth.
Billy Rocket
Winger
But humans have only been around for a few thousand years, Prometheus was set only a little bit into the future, and Covenant can't have been much after that.
Mikeftw
Winger
Covenant was 2104 i believe
Yankee Mackem
Striker
Id recon at least 300,00 years for tool use. Plus the DNA trail from hominina would put it back several times that to the start. It's the corn thing that fucks everything up.
Banks
Striker
Just watched this last night I was disappointed. It answered some of Prometheus questions but was this really a necessary film or a moneymaker?
So Davids evil. Already knew that
That planet had xenomorphs. Already knew that.
Dr shaw was there. Already knew that
Only new information was David creating xenpmorph which I think was a really lazy uninteresting plot. Also David killing the creators if they were creators. I just don't think the film added value to the legacy of what the prequels were meant to solve.
So Davids evil. Already knew that
That planet had xenomorphs. Already knew that.
Dr shaw was there. Already knew that
Only new information was David creating xenpmorph which I think was a really lazy uninteresting plot. Also David killing the creators if they were creators. I just don't think the film added value to the legacy of what the prequels were meant to solve.
prica's crown
Winger
Still does my head in that evety single engineer wiped out with one attack
Gucci Massive
Striker
Apparently not all of them are dead. The rumour for the next installment us that one of the Engineer ships returns to the home planet to find it destroyed then sets off to get revenge on David presumably.
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Lexingtongue
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It's a f***ing disgusting film.
scotch
Striker
For all those saying david created the xenomorphs he didnt
The official book based on the film script (I.e when they started shooting the film) has a scene where david is studying a fossilised alien egg created by the engineers...david is then re-creating the xenomorphs from their blueprint.
Also a scene where the surviving neomorph squared off with the xenomorph before they board the ship at the end.
Both of these scenes should have been left in the film...such a disappointment from what it could have been
The official book based on the film script (I.e when they started shooting the film) has a scene where david is studying a fossilised alien egg created by the engineers...david is then re-creating the xenomorphs from their blueprint.
Also a scene where the surviving neomorph squared off with the xenomorph before they board the ship at the end.
Both of these scenes should have been left in the film...such a disappointment from what it could have been
Gucci Massive
Striker
There'll be in the Dvd directors cut no doubt
scotch
Striker
The neomorph v xeno might be, but i believe i read that they may not have filmed the David working from a fossilised egg...
both scenes would have improved the film
Thurston
Winger
Enjoyed Alien Covenant. My favourite one since the first Alien film.
I know people love Aliens, and think it's great, but I personally can't stand it, as I hate 'base under siege'/monster stuff and can't think of anything worse than sitting through the predictability of people being killed by the alien for two and a half hours, building up to the Ripley/alien fight. It's basically murder p0rn.
Alien Covenant has a decent concept and actually built some degree of tension better than any since the aforementioned original.
I know people love Aliens, and think it's great, but I personally can't stand it, as I hate 'base under siege'/monster stuff and can't think of anything worse than sitting through the predictability of people being killed by the alien for two and a half hours, building up to the Ripley/alien fight. It's basically murder p0rn.
Alien Covenant has a decent concept and actually built some degree of tension better than any since the aforementioned original.
I get what you're saying. He was effectively 'genetically modifying' them or breeding variations in the way people breed dogs. However, watching it from the very first scene which is David with his own creator and the whole concept of David being terrifying precisely because of his own ability to 'create,' would make absolutely no sense if the film didn't essentially allude to him being the creator of the xenomorph. As you indicate correctly, the film in reality still effectively shows the xenomorph as a genetically modified neomorph, whilst alluding to the fact that he's created them outright in a similar fashion that he himself was created, but that's neither here nor there.
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Banks
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Totally agree with point, technically David hasnt created the Xenomorph, totally correct. However I dont see what value this plotline has given the franchise, unless the next 2 are going to be absolute stinkers following a boring storyline.
Also why have the creators done these murials? I hope to god they havent created them for sport aka Predator. I just feel after 2 hours the storyline hasnt really advanced and its was just tired cliches that have been in past films.
Thurston
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It would have made it a completely different film with a different context. I'm not sure if that would've been better, as I've said, (Prometheus and) Alien Covenant is about our own dubious relationship with God, creation, creationism and creating robots and new technologies more than just the usual high concept two and a half hours of a monster killing everyone in the build up to a predictable face off with the main character at the end.
As my post above, Prometheus and Alien Covenant are 'trying' to allude to something a little bit cleverer than the usual monster romp. How effectively they have done that is still up for debate.
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Yankee Mackem
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I recon Ridley Scott sees the original alien as his baby. I'm pretty sure that he was ticked off with the different variations ruining the franchise (probably also how some people see the second film as the best one). I think the scenes linking Alien to davinci and michelangelo is telling. He sees it as his masterpiece.
When Blomkamp announced he wanted to do Alien Five, pretty much rebooting the franchise from the second film onwards (and given the level of interest it generated), I think he realised there was still life in it, so rushed out prometheus to get there first. Maybe its a rights thing, I don't know.
Prometheus, whilst not bad, was a mess from a franchise perspective. Ironically suffering some of the same difficulties as Alien 3 with too many rewrites and too much interference. You can see this from the bits basically lifted directly out of unused parts from the Alien script (see concept art, editors cut and original scripts). By the time it was released it was a hybrid script- and there is no way in hell they knew where it was going.
Covenant smacked of too much hurried retconning. You can almost smell the late nights the writers had trying to put the jigsaw pieces from Alien and Prometheus together. It's just not fluid storytelling no matter which way you look at it.
When Blomkamp announced he wanted to do Alien Five, pretty much rebooting the franchise from the second film onwards (and given the level of interest it generated), I think he realised there was still life in it, so rushed out prometheus to get there first. Maybe its a rights thing, I don't know.
Prometheus, whilst not bad, was a mess from a franchise perspective. Ironically suffering some of the same difficulties as Alien 3 with too many rewrites and too much interference. You can see this from the bits basically lifted directly out of unused parts from the Alien script (see concept art, editors cut and original scripts). By the time it was released it was a hybrid script- and there is no way in hell they knew where it was going.
Covenant smacked of too much hurried retconning. You can almost smell the late nights the writers had trying to put the jigsaw pieces from Alien and Prometheus together. It's just not fluid storytelling no matter which way you look at it.
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