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thats why i don't like them, they make us weaker whilst making the parent club stronger in the long term.
Without Simpson and Evans we would not have been promoted. Without Welbeck we wouldnt have finished 10th. Its no different to selling a player except from the fact you have an entire year to prepare for the departure.
 
could ya fuck. :lol:

we could say that he's not for sale until we get a replacement. with a loan, we're forced to hand him back, you do know there's a difference, right?
Of course you could you knacker, you would still have an unhappy player at the club. Don't take this the wrong way, aye actually do, but if it was someone like Perry, rentaghost, Nemo etc bemoaning a loan, I might have some concerns myself, it wouldn't alter my opinion, but I'd take more notice of them over a perennial moaner

You also forgot to explain how being "back to square one" is "weaker"
 
Without Simpson and Evans we would not have been promoted. Without Welbeck we wouldnt have finished 10th. Its no different to selling a player except from the fact you have an entire year to prepare for the departure.
well lets hope we do this tim, eh? there's been plenty of seasons where we have not.
 
How many players have we bought after a loan, Elmo can't think of many more
Yes but have not signed some because they weren't what we wanted after looking at them. Loans have been very good to us when you think of players we have had the services of like Evans, Welbeck and Rose
 
it is true. simple as that

im not knocking the fact that its a different set up at the back, but we're still cutting costs regardless of anyway you like to dress it up.

We're restructuring to be within the FFP rules. That means rejigging the wages so it all fits under the magic figure (I think it's 52 million). Because we've got players we know aren't good enough on 30, 40, 50 grand a week that stops us from doing what the likes of Southampton are doing and adding before they have to sell, because they started off well under the cap. In order to change the structure you have to begin to bring lads in who fit within it, but unfortunately to do that you have to sacrifice one or two you may not want to ideally because the mediocity you're lumbered with on big wages are difficult to shift for those reasons. you can't just stay where you are and let contracts expire - you need fresh blood, because the players aren't good enough. The new lot are trying to solve all the problems left to us by the old lot but it would be nigh on impossible to do it in one window.

Once it's all complete I expect us to be spending everything we're allowed to on wages, because Short wants us top ten - how can that be cost cutting in the long term? We're setting up to spend the money more efficiently.

In an ideal world you get rid of all the crap that's draining your wage budget in one go and can replace them all. Football's not an ideal world though.
 
Without Simpson and Evans we would not have been promoted. Without Welbeck we wouldnt have finished 10th. Its no different to selling a player except from the fact you have an entire year to prepare for the departure.
I really don't get this in terms of benefits, as things stand at the mo we could have at least 3 loan players in the squad/team add to that the 5 or 6 who are out of contract next summer we could be in a situation where we need to sign a hell of a lot of players just to stand still
 
If this was MoN frantically scraping around looking for players, key ones at that, there would be hell on.

The whole idea of this new regime was to put and end to this sort of nonsense.

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Absentee O' Neill & his people had 6 months to find a few options but only came up with 1 left back in that time that they couldn't even agree a deal with his club for because they left it too late & their other left back got a serious injury.

In comparison this new Regime came up with multiple targets across several countries in about 6 weeks & had deals accepted by their clubs for all of them. The end result may be the same but at least most of us can see that at least it wasn't lack of knowledge of effort this time.
 
Same every year. Pointless having this discussion.

I think this year has been worse for a number of reasons, O'Neil going still hurts, the press have an agenda, Di Cannios appointment, his transfers early doors, Bardsley, Mig, the lack of big name signings my arguement would be to give it until December before judging anything but at the moment Di Cannio doesn't see to have that time.
Yes but have not signed some because they weren't what we wanted after looking at them. Loans have been very good to us when you think of players we have had the services of like Evans, Welbeck and Rose

I wonder how much those three would have cost to buy them at the end of their loans. That's just a question - nothing else.
 
well lets hope we do this tim, eh? there's been plenty of seasons where we have not.
How many seasons have we had a scouting team as good as the one we have now? Actually in recent times i can only think of Rose where a direct replacement was not bought to fill the gap.
 
I reckon the loans are a last resort. We've tried to sign the targets and for one reason or another, have failed. The loans should be a stop gap and we can try again next summer

this seems to be apoint some are missing - we're not going for loans because we havent bothered to TRY and sign people - we've been one of the earliest starting and most pro-active clubs of the summer, but you can't guarantee all your targets will come. I imagine all bemoaning the loans would be happy if PDC said "well, there are no further signings, and even though we're a bit thin i'm not going to try and fill the squad out with loans cos some of the fans dont like them...."
 
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