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The greatest manager ever or just bought the league every year?
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The greatest manager ever or just bought the league every year?
I personally think he should of won more European Cups.
100% this.This is the reason why I think Fergie is the best manager of all time. He built 3 different teams that dominated, managers usually get a bit in the lime light but rarely if ever do they repeatedly do it by reinventing one team.
I thought the moyes appointment was stupid cos I never rated him as high as some plaudits did. But the planning of the whole thing was a disaster. Man Utd was the greatest job in the land... any manager worth his salt who wanted to carry that mantle for ten years should've been SAF's assistant for a number of reasons before a gradual handover was made. He should've taught him, showed him how to get through the bad times and how to emulate what he's done. The plan was stupid, the manager was overrated and thus they haven't won the prem since100% this.
The season after he left, it was pretty much the same team he won the league with. Either Moyes fucked it up so bad or SAF had them punching above their weight. Most of them players went on to do fuck all. It's amazing he won the title with them
I wouldnt say he hit lucky with the kids. The youth system ge put in place took years of building, it wasnt all a stroke of luck. He got to know their familes took an interest in the young kids lives. He had the balls to sell top stars and replace them with kids , thats not luckFergie's achievements with Aberdeen incredible and did hit lucky with the kids at United however managed to rebuild again and again. As has been said earlier Man Utd were already the biggest club in England however he did make them the dominant club also.
Clough however managed to cobble together a team of average players and turn them into double European Cup winners. An achievement which is unlikely ever to be matched.
I wouldnt say he hit lucky with the kids. The youth system ge put in place took years of building, it wasnt all a stroke of luck. He got to know their familes took an interest in the young kids lives. He had the balls to sell top stars and replace them with kids , thats not luck
No they weren't. Liverpool had dominated English football for the previous 10 years when Fergie took over. Man Utd were a big club, but well behind Liverpool and hadn't won the title in 20 yearsEh?
Man Utd are the biggest club in England, they were when he took over and still are.
He did, but only for a short spell with each. Don't get me wrong, I absolutely loved Cloughy, but he was Mourinho-like in his ability to achieve almost immediateBut clough managed clubs punching above their weight twice.
I disagree, he had these young players scouted, its not like they just turned up on his doorstep.What i meant, but admittedly failed to convey, was he got lucky with a crop of youngsters arriving with that much talent at the same time.
Obviously cultivating that luck and ensuring the potential talent is realized is a rare skill.
I disagree, he had these young players scouted, its not like they just turned up on his doorstep.
Bought the league ? Beckham, Scholes , Giggs, etc all came through their youth set up did they not ?The greatest manager ever or just bought the league every year?
Its only luck if you didnt know about themTo have Paul Scholes, Gary Neville, Phil Neville, Ryan Giggs & Nicky Butt on the doorstep, all at the same time, is luck. Indeed having Eric Harrison at the club when he arrived could also be regarded as a stroke of luck.
I can't argue that Fergie certainly cultivated his luck to the maximum though.
Its only luck if you didnt know about them
Beckham says in his book how SAF would make the youth players watch a certain player (who plays their position) even years before they were near the first teamI wouldnt say he hit lucky with the kids. The youth system ge put in place took years of building, it wasnt all a stroke of luck. He got to know their familes took an interest in the young kids lives. He had the balls to sell top stars and replace them with kids , thats not luck
No they weren't. Liverpool had dominated English football for the previous 10 years when Fergie took over. Man Utd were a big club, but well behind Liverpool and hadn't won the title in 20 years
He did, but only for a short spell with each. Don't get me wrong, I absolutely loved Cloughy, but he was Mourinho-like in his ability to achieve almost immediate
success at a club, but only for a short spell.
Derby - took over in 1967, got them promoted in 1968, won the league in 1972, resigned in 1974
Forest - took over in 1975, got them promoted in 1977, won the league in 1978, won the european cup in 1979 & 1980, then had a relatively fallow period from 1981-1993.
Cloughy was a genius, but he was a short-term improvement manager, not one who would build team after team that could compete. Of course, you could argue that Forest were punching way above their weight in 1978-1980 and the mid-table obscurity that they returned to in the 80s and 90s was more "their level"
Hard to compare Fergie with Cloughy as they were 2 very different managers.
Fergusons best appointment, according to Man City, Liverpool and Leeds fans.100% this.
The season after he left, it was pretty much the same team he won the league with. Either Moyes fucked it up so bad or SAF had them punching above their weight. Most of them players went on to do fuck all. It's amazing he won the title with them
Bought the league ? Beckham, Scholes , Giggs, etc all came through their youth set up did they not ?