Adam Johnson - surely not?


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The vast majority of newspaper reports turn out to be utter tosh and if you also apply logic to the article, it's pretty reasonable to dismiss it as rubbish.

I prefer to judge people/organisations by what they do rather than what they say........the club stated that selling your better players was a relegation model but they sold them nonetheless. I agree it's probably bullshit and all I'm saying is that it wouldn't surprise me if we sold him but I would be absolutely staggered if we loaned him out.
 
It would be a staggering bit of business by the club if true and stop the momentum gained by last season's escape dead in it's tracks. The PR fallout with the fans alone would create hostility and resentment......surely people at the club must realise loaning out your leading scorer and most creative player because of the wages he's on is tantamount to raising the white flag before a ball is kicked.
I agree with all of that, I've just got to the stage where nothing surprises me any more. It would be a kick in the knackers if he went out on loan, as for a permanent, I would wait and see what the deal was. I think we are now working on a Swansea/Southampton model to a coin a phrase

not all the time, but with johnson, it clearly does. if gardner or bardsley were on johnsons wage then thats taking the piss. short sanctioned the deal to bring him here in the first place though, so why the fuck is he so eager to get rid of him if its down to his wages? we hardly spent anything last season, and stayed up by the skin of our teeth, and we're still on this money train.

if anything he should realise that you need to spend decent wages on QUALITY players to stay in this league, otherwise he can kiss goodbye to his investment.
I don't know what Johnson is on and wouldn't hazard a guess, but we all want value for money. Like I say hoying decent wages doesn't mean we can get quality players as per your point about Gardner and Bardsley. I also would suggest that there are teams who finished above us with a lower wage bill, again though that would be guessing.
 
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I agree with all of that, I've just got to the stage where nothing surprises me any more. It would be a kick in the knackers if he went out on loan, as for a permanent, I would wait and see what the deal was. I think we are now working on a Swansea/Southampton model to a coin a phrase


Every player has a price and I would consider doing business at around the £15m mark. Players like him are thin on the ground....he's very productive when compared to his peers who seem to get rave reviews. I just don't trust the club to replace him with better or as good. They'll stick Larsson out wide, put the bulk of any transfer fee into paring down of debt and hoy a couple of million into the kitty for Bosmans and journeymen.......as they've done for decades.
 
Every player has a price and I would consider doing business at around the £15m mark. Players like him are thin on the ground....he's very productive when compared to his peers who seem to get rave reviews. I just don't trust the club to replace him with better or as good. They'll stick Larsson out wide, put the bulk of any transfer fee into paring down of debt and hoy a couple of million into the kitty for Bosmans and journeymen.......as they've done for decades.
Whilst it wouldn't surprise me, it would fuck me right off
 
This is actually in the Sunday People today but follows a similar one I highlighted on PF about 3 weeks back.
Today's offering says Everton are interested in a season-long loan of Johnson - but not in buying him.
It adds that Sunderland have "found no takers since informing middlemen that they were prepared to listen to offers".
As I said last time, no way I'd do this unless a VERY good replacement was in the bag. Seems the reason (if true) is simple wage-bill reduction.
then the people running the club are mental, I'd find it hard to believe Poyet would be on board with that, but could easily imagine the rest of them taking that view.

keep selling your best players and eventually you get relegated, but I could imagine the bean counters thinking they've found a miracle worker in Gus, but of course miracles are a myth.
 
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Loaning him out would be ridiculous, but it's naive to suggest that a decent bid won't be considered.

I'm sure it will....I just wish I had faith in the people charged with bringing his replacement in. I'd much rather keep a player who is capable of scoring double figures from the wing......it's absolutely crucial to have a player like that when you play with only one central striker. Putting Larsson there would be a disaster imo......yes, he works hard and his delivery is decent (or was) but he's not in the same league as Johnson as an attacking threat.
 
I'm sure it will....I just wish I had faith in the people charged with bringing his replacement in. I'd much rather keep a player who is capable of scoring double figures from the wing......it's absolutely crucial to have a player like that when you play with only one central striker. Putting Larsson there would be a disaster imo......yes, he works hard and his delivery is decent (or was) but he's not in the same league as Johnson as an attacking threat.
it would be a hell of a gamble, we've already lost 10 goals with Borini off, and then we'd lose another 10 if Johnson was peddled.
 
then the people running the club are mental, I'd find it hard to believe Poyet would be on board with that, but could easily imagine the rest of them taking that view.

keep selling your best players and eventually you get relegated, but I could imagine the bean counters thinking they've found a miracle worker in Gus, but of course miracles are a myth.


Sometimes people have a quite evangelical viewpoint and they genuinely think they've found the right way of doing things......how else do you get regimes like North Korea and Syria......and groups like Boko Haram. They don't see what most reasonable people see.
 
IF he is part of the pisshead club AND we got 8 million plus then I wouldn't be too worried.

I prefer to judge by what I see on the pitch rather than the tittle tattle of the Facebook generation.......Johnson has been a revelation since he himself said that he needed to up his game at the start of 2014. His workrate and fitness have been superb and we certainly couldn't replace him with £8m. We'd be doing what we normally do......dumbing down.
 
Sometimes people have a quite evangelical viewpoint and they genuinely think they've found the right way of doing things......how else do you get regimes like North Korea and Syria......and groups like Boko Haram. They don't see what most reasonable people see.
absolutely, football is deceptively complex, actually heard a statto on the radio saying it's the least predictable sport, unfortunately I could imagine a spreadsheet mentality at play which is somehwat detached from reality. We only stayed up because we took 7 points from those 3 games, the odds of which must have been astronomical, if we go around shooting ourselves in the foot luck will desert us, but we may well be in the black.
 
Wouldn't get in their team Mirallas on the right and Pienaar/McGeady who apparently looked good towards end of the season on the left
 
absolutely, football is deceptively complex, actually heard a statto on the radio saying it's the least predictable sport, unfortunately I could imagine a spreadsheet mentality at play which is somehwat detached from reality. We only stayed up because we took 7 points from those 3 games, the odds of which must have been astronomical, if we go around shooting ourselves in the foot luck will desert us, but we may well be in the black.

Fully agree.....when the bean counters draw up those spreadsheets do they consider that if it goes against them there's an absolutely massive hole blown in their calculations.......risking £60m to save a few million. The quality of what you put on the pitch is the catalyst for everything else and compromising that puts everything at risk.
 
Fully agree.....when the bean counters draw up those spreadsheets do they consider that if it goes against them there's an absolutely massive hole blown in their calculations.......risking £60m to save a few million. The quality of what you put on the pitch is the catalyst for everything else and compromising that puts everything at risk.
well exactly, any fool could cut costs but if that means you end up with shit on the pitch it's liable to be counter -productive, anyway with the extra tv money they should be capable of having a soft landing, but that would of course require a certain vision, we've got to hope Poyet has a fair degree of control as he is the only who will fully understand the business for what it really is.
 
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