5 years for Bowie today.....

Slim999

Midfield
I'll put it into the perspective that he is an alleged pedophile.

These are the kinds of ridiculous posts that try to defend him.

Here's a comparison for you. I'm genuinely a singer in a band. If a 15 year old lass wanted to have sex with me and I did, would it be okay to still listen to our music, still talk about me as a legend (I am, I'm class) and never mention what I'd done?

Of course not. You're part of the problem.
So do you also say Elvis was a paedo?

And Jerry Lee Lewis

That's fine if you do - but you need to be consistent.
I'll put it into the perspective that he is an alleged pedophile.

These are the kinds of ridiculous posts that try to defend him.

Here's a comparison for you. I'm genuinely a singer in a band. If a 15 year old lass wanted to have sex with me and I did, would it be okay to still listen to our music, still talk about me as a legend (I am, I'm class) and never mention what I'd done?

Of course not. You're part of the problem.
I'm not defending the fact that he allegedly shagged 15 yo girls.

But it was 1972/4 in USA

You are in UK in 2021

Different times

We can go back further if you like and ask whether Joseph was a peadophile for allegedly marrying Mary aged 12
 
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Sack Fatto

Midfield
Yeah if I was a paedophile I'd be ashamed as well.

Still waiting for what should be a normal ethical and moral reaction from this place on this story. Imagine this is why Savile didn't face justice either, people don't want to believe it.
No skeletons in your closet then?? What a Balloon. Have you got your Jim'll Fix It Badge? Now Then.....
 

sponge

Goalkeeper
So do you also say Elvis was a paedo?

And Jerry Lee Lewis

That's fine if you do - but you need to be consistent.

I'm not defending the fact that he allegedly shagged 15 yo girls.

But it was 1972/4 in USA

You are in UK in 2021

Different times

We can go back further if you like and ask whether Joseph was a peadophile for allegedly marrying Mary aged 12
Whilst I think religion is the biggest load of plop going in the hypothetical situation regarding Joseph and Mary it’s certainly odd behaviour to say the least.
 

Slim999

Midfield
Whilst I think religion is the biggest load of plop going in the hypothetical situation regarding Joseph and Mary it’s certainly odd behaviour to say the least.
I don't actually believe Jesus and all that.. my point was that things change with time and with geography

Did you know age of consent in Italy and Germany is 14 ?
In Sweden 15 ?

Different views in different countries

Just for the record..( and Mux)... I think we have it correct at 16 - and anyone older than that engaging with a 15 yo should face consequences. The overall age difference should be taken into account

But let's keep history in proportion and perspective

 

mux

Striker
No skeletons in your closet then?? What a Balloon. Have you got your Jim'll Fix It Badge? Now Then.....
Skeletons in my closet? What are you accusing me of?

Are you saying you think it's normal to have the odd skeleton in your closet like sexually abusing children? If so I suggest you go and speak to someone, preferably a police officer.

Balloon :lol:
I think it's a bit of stretch to call yourself a singer mind.
Fairest comment of the thread so far sadly.
 
I don't actually believe Jesus and all that.. my point was that things change with time and with geography

Did you know age of consent in Italy and Germany is 14 ?
In Sweden 15 ?

Different views in different countries

Just for the record..( and Mux)... I think we have it correct at 16 - and anyone older than that engaging with a 15 yo should face consequences. The overall age difference should be taken into account

But let's keep history in proportion and perspective

Fair point. Are Benzema and Ribery paedos?
 

JonMc

Striker
So do you also say Elvis was a paedo?

And Jerry Lee Lewis

That's fine if you do - but you need to be consistent.

I'm not defending the fact that he allegedly shagged 15 yo girls.

But it was 1972/4 in USA

You are in UK in 2021

Different times

We can go back further if you like and ask whether Joseph was a peadophile for allegedly marrying Mary aged 12
Tis the same reason regarding historical crimes. Sentencing guidelines must take into account the era the crime was committed in.
 

HettonSAFC

Midfield
Was never a massive fan but I appreciated the man for his talent and have been watching quite a few documentaries on Bowie recently. He was a canny actor and singer, it suddenly dawned on me that he was "Major Tom" (imagining himself as a space dude etc). Here's a few of my favourite memories of the man.......
(Loved this song since I heard it as a young lass, probably my favourite song ever - never get sick of it tbh)

Just loved him in Labyrinth, film was pretty much gash apart from him and Ludo.

Freaked me out a bit in Twin Peaks FWWM

Think he always saw himself as a musical / stage writer, but he went on a pretty f***ing cool journey - RIP to the thin white Duke :cry:
Merry Christmas mr Lawrence. Superb film.
 

mux

Striker
Tis the same reason regarding historical crimes. Sentencing guidelines must take into account the era the crime was committed in.
Okay so Savile was sound back then. I wonder why people keep bringing it up then.

I guess all of these teachers in public schools back in the 50s and 60s need to be exonerated by the SMB as well since it was all the rage back then.

It's a crackers notion that it's okay to nonce kids if you are a singer/did it in the 50s/they were fans of your band etc etc etc.

The more you challenge these ideas the more ridiculous they reveal themselves to be.
 

Slim999

Midfield
Okay so Savile was sound back then. I wonder why people keep bringing it up then.

I guess all of these teachers in public schools back in the 50s and 60s need to be exonerated by the SMB as well since it was all the rage back then.

It's a crackers notion that it's okay to nonce kids if you are a singer/did it in the 50s/they were fans of your band etc etc etc.

The more you challenge these ideas the more ridiculous they reveal themselves to be.
Nobody knew Saville was a peadophile back in 70s ( least it wasn't revealed). If it had been revealed- he like Glitter would have had investigations hounding them

You're still making no distinction between..

1. Somebody who targets and molests under 10 year olds

2. Those that had 15 yo groupies throw themselves at them in The hope of sex

I agree that if Bowie or Elvis or Jagger or Iggy or Jerry Lee or Jonny Thunders ... had known the groupies were underage then they were wrong to have sex with them

...but real life isn't black and white

1. Is different to 2.

Have a sense of proportion
 

mux

Striker
Nobody knew Saville was a peadophile back in 70s ( least it wasn't revealed). If it had been revealed- he like Glitter would have had investigations hounding them

You're still making no distinction between..

1. Somebody who targets and molests under 10 year olds

2. Those that had 15 yo groupies throw themselves at them in The hope of sex

I agree that if Bowie or Elvis or Jagger or Iggy or Jerry Lee or Jonny Thunders ... had known the groupies were underage then they were wrong to have sex with them

...but real life isn't black and white

1. Is different to 2.

Have a sense of proportion
I have a sense of proportion. There are some incidents of sexually abusing children that are worse than others, that is obvious and doesn't require you or anyone else to explain it.

My point is you always get people defending a child sexual abuser when it is David Bowie. Probably the same people who would be shouting "hang him" on Adam Johnson threads.

If you can't accept someone in 2020 touching a 15 year old up and think it's disgusting, then you shouldn't defend an old and now dead man who had sex with multiple children.

Also despite you boys pointing out how different you think it is between now and then, it was illegal then as it is illegal now. Its never been acceptable. It wasn't more acceptable to murder someone back then or steal from them, and it's not more acceptable to rape a child.

Edit: final point. The age of consent when he had sex with those 15 year olds was 18. So if anything it was less acceptable back then, in the eyes of the law. The equivalent now would be sex with a 13 year old.
 
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Gillythedilf

Midfield
Yeah he was great apart from the fact that he was an alledged sex offender. Conveniently forgotten and I personally, despite liking his music, despise the bloke for it.

Tried posting this a few years ago and got quite the backlash on here from people unwilling to accept that their idol was allegedly having sex with children, so check your responses this time.

I always thought he was a collar and cuff?
 

Gillythedilf

Midfield
He had sex with men and women and it is alleged that he did so with boys and girls, children.

But it's okay because they wanted it and it was ages ago according to some people.
I never trust blokes who swing both ways personally.Everyone Ive met has been a deviant
 

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