4 year old battered by brick


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One persons actions don't reflect the country.

Shocking either way.

these stories are becoming more common though mate, regardless if these stories make the press, I know fine well many more do not. The news last night consisted of more stabbing and murder stories than not.
 
no expert mate but i'm sure violent crime compared to years gone by is down, maybe mate just maybe the reporting of violent crime and the awareness of said violence by ordinary decent folk is increasing there.
 
no expert mate but i'm sure violent crime compared to years gone by is down, maybe mate just maybe the reporting of violent crime and the awareness of said violence by ordinary decent folk is increasing there.

I think there have always been sickening crimes, like you say its the reporting of them.

I read a book about crime in the 20th century and one of the worst periods was post war when there were a load of ex services guns knocking about and the teenage 'Teddy Boy' type gangs started to emerge who carried as many knives as the inner city gangs of today.

It was interesting stuff.
 
There have always been people who will abuse and brutalise children. It isn't a new phenomenon, we just hear about it more these days.
 
the bastard wants stringing up for being such a little shit and so f***ing stupid but bear in mind he didnt mean to hit the bairn witht he brick. well at least i hope he didnt realise she was there
 
TheWanderer said:
these stories are becoming more common though mate, regardless if these stories make the press, I know fine well many more do not. The news last night consisted of more stabbing and murder stories than not.

There's a few different factors at work and it's fair to say at least that society seems to have degraded and more violence and crime seems to happen, in hotspots at least, than say 50 years ago. At the same time the nature of news reporting - more celebrity guff, fewer local news agencies, smaller staffs at papers - means a lot of things don't make the news.

Counter to that though is that 50 years ago you had fewer papers, no rolling news and no web so it took something big to be reported nationally, whereas now some stories like the fat kid body slamming the bully starts in Australia and goes global in hours. You also had little or no official mechanisms to report abuse of children and little or no ability to scrutinise police and social services, so almost nothing got reported.

It's hard to draw too many conclusions because the way the media reports things can distort perception of crime and the government tries to frig the figures to make themselves look good anyway.
 
no expert mate but i'm sure violent crime compared to years gone by is down, maybe mate just maybe the reporting of violent crime and the awareness of said violence by ordinary decent folk is increasing there.

Is it not also the nature/extent of the violence that's changed though, in particular the nonchalant use of knives without any apparent concern for the consequences, for the perpetrator as well as the victim? So many young people seem to have so little regard for their own lives that a lifetime in custody doesn't seem a very unattractive option.

Thinking back to my own youth, people always fought, and got jumped for no apparent reason, but, although I knew people who took a pasting, I certainly don't remember anyone being stabbed. I also think attitudes have deteriorated to the extent that a minor disagreement which might previously have justified a bit of a slap frequently seems to be settled with a knife, often with considerable pre-meditation.
 
Hopefully she's not planning on running a marathon for charity off the back of this, she'll be top of the pops on the SMBs most hated.
 
Is it not also the nature/extent of the violence that's changed though, in particular the nonchalant use of knives without any apparent concern for the consequences, for the perpetrator as well as the victim? So many young people seem to have so little regard for their own lives that a lifetime in custody doesn't seem a very unattractive option.

Thinking back to my own youth, people always fought, and got jumped for no apparent reason, but, although I knew people who took a pasting, I certainly don't remember anyone being stabbed. I also think attitudes have deteriorated to the extent that a minor disagreement which might previously have justified a bit of a slap frequently seems to be settled with a knife, often with considerable pre-meditation.

The idea that nonchalant use of knives is new is just cockrot. Knives were flying about in the 80s and 90s when I was a kiddiewink. Anybody who grew up in the 50s, 60s and 70s will tell you the same if they're being honest. "Brighton Rock" was published in 1938 FFS.

The only difference is that today we have 24 hour telly news analysing the minutiae and print media dominated by someone with a vested interest in keeping everybody indoors in the evening.
 
The idea that nonchalant use of knives is new is just cockrot. Knives were flying about in the 80s and 90s when I was a kiddiewink. Anybody who grew up in the 50s, 60s and 70s will tell you the same if they're being honest. "Brighton Rock" was published in 1938 FFS.

The only difference is that today we have 24 hour telly news analysing the minutiae and print media dominated by someone with a vested interest in keeping everybody indoors in the evening.

I remember getting a hiding off the night bus.....'Alright, mate?' ...'Aye'...kicked us in the head.
 
Secularism, capitalism and moral relativism. These have challenged the older ideological structures of the 19th century which kept soceity in order. That said, this was usally done at the cost of massive injustice and cruelty on a systematic scale which wasn't reported because it was accepted as being the politcal and social status qou.

The average indiviudal has far more rights and oppurtunitites and is far safer these days, but it's not in the media's interest to report that.
 
Secularism, capitalism and moral relativism. These have challenged the older ideological structures of the 19th century which kept soceity in order. That said, this was usally done at the cost of massive injustice and cruelty on a systematic scale which wasn't reported because it was accepted as being the politcal and social status qou.

The average indiviudal has far more rights and oppurtunitites and is far safer these days, but it's not in the media's interest to report that.

Amen brother. Every generation harks back to the halcyon days of their youth and moans about how bad things are "today". Yet every generation is better educated, better fed, living in better houses, driving better cars, working in better jobs and living longer than the last.

Is society perfect now? Is it fuck. But the way people go on you'd think that organisations like the police and the NSPCC were founded for no reason in the Victorian era and everything has been downhill from there.

People should stop moaning about what the world is coming to and get out in the sunshine.
 
I wouldn't say society has got worse at all. Pick up any newspaper from the 1890's, 1930's, 1950's etc and you will see numerous horrible violent acts committed against children. I'd say it was many many many times worse in Victorian times. Still doesn't make it any less shocking though.
 
I wouldn't say society has got worse at all. Pick up any newspaper from the 1890's, 1930's, 1950's etc and you will see numerous horrible violent acts committed against children. I'd say it was many many many times worse in Victorian times. Still doesn't make it any less shocking though.

Not to mention what went on in the workhouses to thousands every day
 
Battered.... I think not!

From the BBC news website...
A teenager has been arrested after a four-year-old girl was left with facial injuries when a brick was thrown through a minibus window.
The girl's father, 23, had confronted a group of about 10 youths for kicking a ball at his vehicle on Hildyard Street, Grimsby, on Thursday, police said.
The half brick was thrown as he tried to drive away and came through a window, hitting the child in the face.
A 17-year-old boy has been arrested, police said.
The girl suffered nasty injuries, police said, including a lost top front tooth, a fractured nose and swollen lip.
Police are appealing for more witnesses to come forward.
Insp Glen Munson said: "There were a number of people there, not to mention friends or family of those involved, who have more than likely witnessed the incident first hand or been told about it.
"I would ask for these people to come forward either directly or anonymously to help our investigation."

I doubt the kid who threw the brick intended to hit the girl.
 
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