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You have to be pretty smart to do a maths or a music degree I should think.

I doubt anyone but someone clever could be an actuary, the exams are pretty hard (post degree) aren't they?

I don't know much about engineering, but I would guess you have to be clever to do them aswell.

This is the bloke that was slating BA's as impractical. There aren't many jobs for mathematicians so equally impractical. Good on him for getting additional training but as I pointed out you don't need a math degree to do it. Mind she was a vp at a bank by the time she was 35 so not your run of the mill music student.

My point re engineering is that you basically graduate with a profession. I can't think of any other undergraduate degrees where you do including business studies and sciences. Law and medicine I suppose but I think of those as graduate degrees.
 
This is the bloke that was slating BA's as impractical. There aren't many jobs for mathematicians so equally impractical. Good on him for getting additional training but as I pointed out you don't need a math degree to do it. Mind she was a vp at a bank by the time she was 35 so not your run of the mill music student.

My point re engineering is that you basically graduate with a profession. I can't think of any other undergraduate degrees where you do including business studies and sciences. Law and medicine I suppose but I think of those as graduate degrees.

Again I think you will find that I was slating 'most' BAs, not all. I was saying that in general a BSc was a more worthwhile and useful qualification in general than the majority of BAs and those doing mickey mouse degrees should pay more for the privilege.

Just looking at the Leeds Uni courses and chosen at random I am talking about the likes of a BA in classical civilisations (International), not to be confused with the BA in classical civilisations (European), the BA in broadcast journalism, a BA in fashion desgin etc. I am pretty sure that the old polys or considered lesser universities will have some ludicrous degrees.

As for your friend, it is very unusual for someone with a music degree to get a job as an actuarial trainee. 99% of people with a music degree wouldnt even get and interview for a trainee job, so obviously a very talented (and probably a bit lucky) woman.
 
Again I think you will find that I was slating 'most' BAs, not all. I was saying that in general a BSc was a more worthwhile and useful qualification in general than the majority of BAs and those doing mickey mouse degrees should pay more for the privilege.

Just looking at the Leeds Uni courses and chosen at random I am talking about the likes of a BA in classical civilisations (International), not to be confused with the BA in classical civilisations (European), the BA in broadcast journalism, a BA in fashion desgin etc. I am pretty sure that the old polys or considered lesser universities will have some ludicrous degrees.

As for your friend, it is very unusual for someone with a music degree to get a job as an actuarial trainee. 99% of people with a music degree wouldnt even get and interview for a trainee job, so obviously a very talented (and probably a bit lucky) woman.

If they are mickey mouse it's safe to assume they cost less anyway. A professor in say fashion design will be paid less than a professor in engineering. The actual staff costs were the lions share of tuition fees back in my day. If anything there should be caps on the number of students in certain degrees/courses. To suggest they pay more is a bit silly.

As for my friend being lucky she is probably one of the brightest people I have ever worked with so luck had nothing to do with it. It dawned on me that I actually know one other person that went on to study actuarial sciences. She was one of my mates sisters and very bright as well but a complete idiot when it came to social skills and common sense. She went down that road because she recognised a cubicle far away from anything to do with interaction with other human beings was something she should concentrate on. So in short, get off your soap box. It takes all kinds.
 
If they are mickey mouse it's safe to assume they cost less anyway. A professor in say fashion design will be paid less than a professor in engineering. The actual staff costs were the lions share of tuition fees back in my day. If anything there should be caps on the number of students in certain degrees/courses. To suggest they pay more is a bit silly.

As for my friend being lucky she is probably one of the brightest people I have ever worked with so luck had nothing to do with it. It dawned on me that I actually know one other person that went on to study actuarial sciences. She was one of my mates sisters and very bright as well but a complete idiot when it came to social skills and common sense. She went down that road because she recognised a cubicle far away from anything to do with interaction with other human beings was something she should concentrate on. So in short, get off your soap box. It takes all kinds.

Suggesting they pay more isnt silly, my point is that they should subsidise people doing 'proper' degrees because in times of austerity (and to be honest at all other times) the other degrees I noted are pointless for anyone other than the taker, and they should therefore foot the whole bill.

As for your other comment it would appear that your friend's sister could be on the autistic spectrum, not unusual for mathematicians. How nice of you to make such kind comments about her.
 
Suggesting they pay more isnt silly, my point is that they should subsidise people doing 'proper' degrees because in times of austerity (and to be honest at all other times) the other degrees I noted are pointless for anyone other than the taker, and they should therefore foot the whole bill.

As for your other comment it would appear that your friend's sister could be on the autistic spectrum, not unusual for mathematicians. How nice of you to make such kind comments about her.

It is silly. The cost paid should in some way be related to the cost to deliver the product or service. Just as well you did mathematics and not business or economics.

She was an idiot. Are you suggesting there is no room for idiots that lack common sense in your profession? Don't be such a drama queen.
 
A maths degree shows you are intelligent and able to think. A lot of employers like to see this and will give a job on the strength of your ability to obtain a maths degree. Even if you never do maths again.

Like say a degree in politics or history?
 
It is silly. The cost paid should in some way be related to the cost to deliver the product or service. Just as well you did mathematics and not business or economics.

She was an idiot. Are you suggesting there is no room for idiots that lack common sense in your profession? Don't be such a drama queen.

It isnt silly. Again I am saying that meaningful degrees should be subsidised to make sure the idiots that want to do a BA in Dance at teesside are really sure they want to; by forcing them to pay £8,500 per year for the pleasure of their meaningless degree. When you factor the cost of providing the service, you have to take into account the repayment to society by the skills that are turned out the other side.

We need doctors, scientists, engineers, innovators, even educators :). It should follow that their degrees are cheaper than these frivolous wastes of time.

And your mates sister is either an idiot as you say, or she has issues which make her appear an idiot. Or was your comment suggesting something else?

Like say a degree in politics or history?

Imho most employers would look at a politics degree as being far, far superior to a history degree.
 
It isnt silly. Again I am saying that meaningful degrees should be subsidised to make sure the idiots that want to do a BA in Dance at teesside are really sure they want to; by forcing them to pay £8,500 per year for the pleasure of their meaningless degree. When you factor the cost of providing the service, you have to take into account the repayment to society by the skills that are turned out the other side.

We need doctors, scientists, engineers, innovators, even educators :). It should follow that their degrees are cheaper than these frivolous wastes of time.

And your mates sister is either an idiot as you say, or she has issues which make her appear an idiot. Or was your comment suggesting something else?

Christ man you are unreal. You just don't get it. The more expensive something is to make the bigger the number on the sticker they put on it before they put it on the shelf. It's a simple concept. If you want to base education on the economics of providing a degree then you charge more for the ones that cost more to provide or are more innovative not the other way around. As per my earlier point, that you ignored, I would agree the numbers should be limited to the less economically viable degrees. You appear to be some kind of degree snob. Your math degree on it's own is practically worthless. You had to further your education to get anything practical out of it. Face the facts.

How the hell have you come to the conclusion that my mates sister has issues from what I have said? You have an overcative imagination.

I have no clue about a politics degree. A degree in history would probably be good, ie it would prove your ability even if you never had to do history in your job.

Both arts degrees with limited practical applications.
 
This point renders most of your arguments worthless.

How? Without further education it's nothing. If he is doing the full actuarial he will be studying for several years (4 at a guess).
 
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How? Without further education it's nothing. If he is doing the full actuarial he will be studying for several years (4 at a guess).

If you had two people coming for a job, one with a BSc in maths and one with a BA in Dance, who would you employ, sight unseen?
 
How? Without further education it's nothing. If he is doing the full actuarial he will be studying for several years (4 at a guess).
Yes and being an actuary brings stunning financial rewards.

If anyone is clever enough to do a maths degree, I'd say go for it.

A maths degree is never nothing lad.
 
If you had two people coming for a job, one with a BSc in maths and one with a BA in Dance, who would you employ, sight unseen?

Whats the job? If I'm hiring for the local ballet it's a no brainer. Ditto if I'm hiring a statistician.

Yes and being an actuary brings stunning financial rewards.

If anyone is clever enough to do a maths degree, I'd say go for it.

A maths degree is never nothing lad.

Just like the person that does a degree in fashion or dance (using the last example). They are clever enough as well. It takes all kinds and there will be a lot of brainy kids that will get degrees in "lesser" subjects because that is what will interest them.
 
How the hell have you come to the conclusion that my mates sister has issues from what I have said? You have an overcative imagination.

It is well doumented that high functioning mathematicians are often found to be on the autistic spectrum. Your description of her, including her lack of social skills and choice to disassociate herself with social situations led to the assumption.

Or was there some other point you were trying to make with your comments?

Whats the job? If I'm hiring for the local ballet it's a no brainer. Ditto if I'm hiring a statistician.

Every job imaginable. What percentage of jobs would go to the BA in dance, sight unseen? Got to be more than 99.5%?
 
It is well doumented that high functioning mathematicians are often found to be on the autistic spectrum. Your description of her, including her lack of social skills and choice to disassociate herself with social situations led to the assumption.

Or was there some other point you were trying to make with your comments?

If you really want to get into it she was a product of her upbringing. Very odd parents. She is very similar to her brother, my mate, and her other sister. Her brother is a high school teacher and her sister is an officer in the RCN. All three have degrees and my mate the teacher is also a CMA. She's not Rain Woman.

I have no idea what you are asking. It you think I am taking a shot at your profession I can't imagine why after I said the other person I know that went down that road was one of the most impressive people I have ever worked with. I was just pointing out that it takes all kinds.

It is well doumented that high functioning mathematicians are often found to be on the autistic spectrum. Your description of her, including her lack of social skills and choice to disassociate herself with social situations led to the assumption.

Or was there some other point you were trying to make with your comments?



Every job imaginable. What percentage of jobs would go to the BA in dance, sight unseen? Got to be more than 99.5%?

You are off on a tangent now mate.
 
Just like the person that does a degree in fashion or dance (using the last example). They are clever enough as well. It takes all kinds and there will be a lot of brainy kids that will get degrees in "lesser" subjects because that is what will interest them.

Not wishing to repeat myself but those degrees are totally meaningless to society. We need doctors, scientists engineers etc. We should subsidise those degrees, but those who chose to do degrees in dance etc PAY FOR IT YOURSELF.

You are off on a tangent now mate.

If you say so, just answer the question. What %age would go to the BA in Dance?
 
Not wishing to repeat myself but those degrees are totally meaningless to society. We need doctors, scientists engineers etc. We should subsidise those degrees, but those who chose to do degrees in dance etc PAY FOR IT YOURSELF.



If you say so, just answer the question. What %age would go to the BA in Dance?

The fashion industry is worth billions man. Using your logic we should be getting rid of history, politics, sociology, English, languages, etc.

Amswer my question. What job am I hiring for? Answer another, how much sight unseen hiring goes on in the world?
 
Shit uni it may be but if unis dont charge big fees then their funding is less says my lass who grafts at Northumbria who are going to have similar fees.
 
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