£8500 pa to study at Teesside Uni


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How much of a pay cut are the lecturers taking?
In this time of austerity?

I've no idea. But many will lose their jobs as another round of cuts is inevitable, to cover the billions of pounds the government will lose from miscalculating the number of universities charging full whack; and the number of student debts that will consequently be written off or impossible to track.
 
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It's the truth - tuition fees for most universities are trebling under the Tories. Haven't you heard about it?

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Before, the government paid the universities more money, directly.

Now, to offset the reduction, the student-contributed proportion of tuition fees is rising. However, you churn out shit like:

"the Government (i.e. the taxpayer) stumps up the cash instead. And that's now three times as much under the Tories, than we used to."

Whilst carefully ignoring that the government was stumping up 2/3 of the current amount in the first place. For every student.

So I'll ask again. Deliberate lie, or basic ignorance?
 
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Before, the government paid the universities more money, directly.

Now, to offset the reduction, the student-contributed proportion of tuition fees is rising. However, you churn out shit like:

"the Government (i.e. the taxpayer) stumps up the cash instead. And that's now three times as much under the Tories, than we used to."

Whilst carefully ignoring that the government was stumping up 2/3 of the current amount in the first place. For every student.

So I'll ask again. Deliberate lie, or basic ignorance?

It's you who is ignorant here.

Cameron told us that kids needn't be put off by increased university fees - which would be the exception, rather than the rule - because a lot of these will be written off if that person doesn't reach a specific level of earnings.

He seriously miscalculated the number of universities that would charge these increased fees (i.e. most), thereby landing the country with an unexpectedly huge amount of costs to bear for those much larger sums (three times larger) that will be lost through graduates not earning enough, leaving the country, or being too expensive to track for the next three decades.

Are you denying that he said he'd write off a substantial number of these debts? And that these individual debts are now three times what they were when he made this stupid promise?

We're actually losing money here, because a lot of it won't be paid back.
 
It's you who is ignorant here.

Cameron told us that kids needn't be put off by increased university fees - which would be the exception, rather than the rule - because a lot of these will be written off if that person doesn't reach a specific level of earnings.

He seriously miscalculated the number of universities that would charge these increased fees (i.e. most), thereby landing the country with an unexpectedly huge amount of costs to bear for those much larger sums (three times larger) that will be lost through graduates not earning enough, leaving the country, or being too expensive to track for the next three decades.

Are you denying that he said he'd write off a substantial number of these debts? And that these individual debts are now three times what they were when he made this stupid promise?

We're actually losing money here, because a lot of it won't be paid back.

What you, presumably wilfully, are ignoring, is that the amount (approximately 2/3) that it has "risen" would have been paid by the government anyway, before the restructuring. In full. For all students.

By those figures, if 1/3 of graduates pay back their full loan then we're no worse off than where we started. And I reckon, somehow, that 1/3 might just make it above that earnings threshold. Maybe more - who knows.

Sorry, I just reread the post.

He seriously miscalculated the number of universities that would charge these increased fees (i.e. most), thereby landing the country with an unexpectedly huge amount of costs to bear for those much larger sums (three times larger) that will be lost through graduates not earning enough, leaving the country, or being too expensive to track for the next three decades.

How do you think it's done now? Magic?
 
What you, presumably wilfully, are ignoring, is that the amount (approximately 2/3) that it has "risen" would have been paid by the government anyway, before the restructuring. In full. For all students.

By those figures, if 1/3 of graduates pay back their full loan then we're no worse off than where we started. And I reckon, somehow, that 1/3 might just make it above that earnings threshold. Maybe more - who knows.

I'm not getting through to you, so I'll put it in language you're more likely to understand. This from the Daily Mail:

80% of women graduates 'won't repay loan' after tuition fees rise

29th March 2011

Around four in five female graduates will never repay their student loan under the Coalition’s new tuition fees regime, it emerged yesterday.

An analysis of the student loan system shows that middle-income men who will finally pay-off their loan at the age of 47-50, will bear the brunt of the cost of higher education.

The figures show that between 70 and 80 per cent of women – up to 150,000 a year – will never repay their full loan, compared with 20 to 30 per cent at present. And when loans are written off, 30 years after graduation, the average woman will still owe £26,500.

Under the new regime, graduates will not have to pay off their loan until they earn £21,000 and women will not have to pay anything when they take time off to raise children.

To put it in even simpler language for you, shifting the costs of education onto the shoulders of students isn't a bad idea - if the students are then going to repay the debt. Many won't - far more than Cameron expected when he made his rash promise.

Every single unpaid student loan costs the tax payer. And we'll still have to bail the universities out because of this cock-up.

How do you think it's done now? Magic?

Most aren't being tracked for three decades at present. Most will now have to be now. I've been through this with bongo earlier in this thread. Always a good idea to read a bit of it before piling in.
 
sure as shite doesn't smell of Roses.

and whats more they will be missing a lot of acedemically sound working class kids, with great 'A' level grades, because they and their parents can't afford to fund higher education.

The kids from wealthier families will be able to go because mammy and daddy can afford it.

Do we live in a classless society?:evil:

Only read a few pages of this thread but noticed this comment in the other teesside uni thread

Im currently coming to a end of my bsc business management course at tees uni and i certainly would not be able afford these new fees, because i choose to live in middlesbrough away from "mummy and daddy" i would get stumped with full tuition fees and bare mininum bursary based on the new fees.

What really boils my piss though is how student finance england operate, i know students who live at home but put down they are living away to get more money, a cockney lad who i live with whos loaded yet because his mam and dad are self employed they cheated the system and got him the full grant which he then uses to pay for his iphone, ipad etc :roll:

Without the uni there Middlesbrough would be a even bigger shithole, the uni is the biggest employer in boro and theres hardly any other jobs in the area, something im finding out now when applying for graduate jobs and schemes.

So why not accept they can't compete and charge the £5k - such a short term policy it's plain daft - at least places like Sunderland can compete on key courses like Pharmacy , I'm not aware of Teeside having an exemplary reputation in a particular line of study but I'd welcome being proved wrong

best computing and animation uni in the country, at least it was when a couple i lads i used to live with started there course.

think its also high up for health and social care as well. And ive certainly found Teessides business school far better than Sunderland's. :lol:
 
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Think you'll struggle to find a post on this thread where I claim to have a great degree or 'big up' Sunderland University , I did however use it to illustrate that not all BA degrees are shit ... If Teeside Business School is better than Sunderland then great , I look forward to seeing their graduates rise to meteoric levels in the world of banking and commerce .....
 
I think they should have a sliding scale with fees. People doing sensible stuff like most BScs should pay less and people doing pointless things like most BAs and media type things should pay more.

And thats regardless of where they are studying.

It's nice to know that after 7 years of uni that my BA was a pointless waste of time.

Bugger, I'll have to go back and study some shite BSc.
 
What's the crack with p/t fees

I'm half way through and the company pays 2k a year, had an email saying existing students aren't affected like just wondering how much they might jump up by
 
Think you'll struggle to find a post on this thread where I claim to have a great degree or 'big up' Sunderland University , I did however use it to illustrate that not all BA degrees are shit ... If Teeside Business School is better than Sunderland then great , I look forward to seeing their graduates rise to meteoric levels in the world of banking and commerce .....

To be fair neither have Business Schools of any note. Sunderland's MBA is a f***ing joke. Sunderland used to be best in Pharmacy but that was a long time ago.

Teesside has a very good reputation for IT and animation in particular.
 
I had 3 kids while was at University hence my student loans are already massive despite being under the old system (I think I owe about 22k)....

I think I currently pay £5 a month per £1k over a £15k threshold....At moment I think I pay just over a £100 a month....

Before I did my degree I worked in call centres in Sunderland and earned about £12k.....Within a few years of finishing that I earn about 3 times that. Is the debt worth it? You bet it was as wouldnt be able to get entry into my profession without my degree and would probs still be in the call centres...

Interestingly I will be paying my loan off till the day I retire as are index linked to inflation and hence while I pay off a £1200+ a year I am currently wracking up 5% interest on that £22k....This will add £1100 this year in interest and hence I will reduce my overall balance by £100....When I retire it is written off....

Under the new system I would be about £30 a month better off as would pay the same £5 per £1k a month back but would start at £21k....What is more interesting though is that despite paying back £800 this year the fact interest is linked to inflation would mean my debt would actually increase as I wouldnt be paying back enough to cover this years interest back.....Many (most) of these debts will never ever be paid back, especially from the "new" uni's as most people will not be going into massively paying jobs. The sums just dont add up (maybe the chancellor should have done a BSC rather than a BA ;)
 
A maths degree is probably one of the better degrees to get, it will open loads of doors.

Aye to further education. Just like the actuarial courses this chap took. I knew a girl in toronto that had a music degree and went on to be an actuarial.

Don't get me wrong I'm not slagging it but it's hardly comparable to say a mechanical or civil engineering degree is it?
 
Aye to further education. Just like the actuarial courses this chap took. I knew a girl in toronto that had a music degree and went on to be an actuarial.

Don't get me wrong I'm not slagging it but it's hardly comparable to say a mechanical or civil engineering degree is it?
You have to be pretty smart to do a maths or a music degree I should think.

I doubt anyone but someone clever could be an actuary, the exams are pretty hard (post degree) aren't they?

I don't know much about engineering, but I would guess you have to be clever to do them aswell.
 
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