£1.5m for kevin davies


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If Mr O'Neill thinks he's good enough, he's good enough, end of debate

Not true at all. O'Neill is a fantastic manager, there's no doubt about that but he has received a lot of criticism over his signings in the past.

This one doesn't get the pulse racing, in fact, it's an odd one.
 
If Mr O'Neill thinks he's good enough, he's good enough, end of debate

No it doesn't. I love O'Neill, he's a top Manager but this doesn't mean he cant buy a shite player.

For the record I think Davies would be a canny signing, but the "he must be a good player because <insert top Managers name here> has signed him" debate is a load of rubbish
 
Struggling to think of a better player in the prem to get on the end of the quality crosses we have from either wing now.

Why do we have to sign a Premiership player?

This would be an example of trying to be cheap actually costing you more.

£1.5m for a 35 year old has been as a cheap option, plus an 18 month contract that will cost £2-3m.

So probably about £4m all in for a short term fix of a signing that we would need to replace basically straight away.

If it is truly more expensive to buy in January, we'd be better off putting some of that £4m towards paying the 'January premium' for a longer term solution, who would also be a better player, eg Barios.

Or failing that, just give the lads we already have a chance and review the situation in the summer.

Spot on.

We signed Sessegnon for £6m last January, was that an extortionate fee?

The mags signed Cisse for around £8m...too much??? :roll:

The fees are only seriously mental if you're trying to sign a Premiership player or a world class player from a champions league club.

It's a complete myth that ALL players are more expensive in January.
 
Why do we have to sign a Premiership player?

With it being mid season the likelihood of getting something meaningful in the short term from a signing is greatly increased by shopping domestically. Foreign signings made in January tend to take until at least the following season before showing their true ability. Sess is the most obvious example.
 
Struggling to think of a better player in the prem to get on the end of the quality crosses we have from either wing now.

An in form Carroll would be the next best thing. If we could get him on loan, that would be a good deal for us assuming his head was right etc.
 
Not true at all. O'Neill is a fantastic manager, there's no doubt about that but he has received a lot of criticism over his signings in the past.

This one doesn't get the pulse racing, in fact, it's an odd one.

As has Ferguson, Wenger, and Mourinho.
 
With it being mid season the likelihood of getting something meaningful in the short term from a signing is greatly increased by shopping domestically. Foreign signings made in January tend to take until at least the following season before showing their true ability. Sess is the most obvious example.

You're just looking for excuses.

Sessegnon played very well last season. The problem was the players around him were performing poorly. Bruce didn't know how to stop the rot and we had no strikers when Gyan and Welbeck broke down.

There's no reason a capable foreign player can't hit the ground running. They're just as more likely to do a job and burst onto the scene than Davies is. Everyone knows him in the league and from his showings this season he looks finished.

As has Ferguson, Wenger, and Mourinho.

No they haven't. They've received criticism, but not a lot.

O'Neill tends to sign players from the UK. He rarely goes shopping aborad. He signs foreign players but usually after they've already made the transition to the UK.

I'm unsure what I make of that. He likes British players, he seems a bit old skool in that respect.
 
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Davies has been the best exponent of "traditional" centre forward play in the premiership since Quinny and Shearer retired. Obviously he's knocking on and past his very best but a one season indian summer and his experience would make him a very worthwhile signing, even at 1.5m.

A re-invigorated Davies could do very well in our side. Of course he could also be utter shite like Harford was!

Obviously I'd like to see us sign someone like Barrios as well but I'd settle for a short term experienced fix like Davies until summer.
 
You're just looking for excuses.

Sessegnon played very well last season. The problem was the players around him were performing poorly. Bruce didn't know how to stop the rot and we had no strikers when Gyan and Welbeck broke down.

There's no reason a capable foreign player can't hit the ground running. They're just as more likely to do a job and burst onto the scene than Davies is. Everyone knows him in the league and from his showings this season he looks finished.

No. It's fairly well accepted that foreign lads coming in mid season take some time to settle. Evra and Vidic are two more examples. And the difference between Sess last season and this is as clear as day.

I'm not wholly convinced by Davies. Not least at £1.5m. However, the logic remains strong. A foreign player may hit the ground running but as for no reason why they should take longer to settle? Nonsense. They've got to adjust to playing in a new league with very obvious differences - at the same time as adjusting to living in a new country. They've got to overcome all of that before making an immediate impact.
 
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You're just looking for excuses.

Sessegnon played very well last season. The problem was the players around him were performing poorly. Bruce didn't know how to stop the rot and we had no strikers when Gyan and Welbeck broke down.

There's no reason a capable foreign player can't hit the ground running. They're just as more likely to do a job and burst onto the scene than Davies is. Everyone knows him in the league and from his showings this season he looks finished.



No they haven't. They've received criticism, but not a lot.

O'Neill tends to sign players from the UK. He rarely goes shopping aborad. He signs foreign players but usually after they've already made the transition to the UK.

I'm unsure what I make of that. He likes British players, he seems a bit old skool in that respect.


Yes they have. Take Ferguson, for example. How highly do you think people rate his record in the transfer market on keepers, having signed Taibi, Bosnich, and De Gea? Or when he signed Poborsky and Cruyff in the same summer? Or how we laughed when he spent millions on David Bellion? Or when he signed Eric Djemba Djemba as Roy Keane's replacement? Or when he spent millions on Kleberson or Bebe?
 
No. It's fairly well accepted that foreign lads coming in mid season take some time to settle. Evra and Vidic are two more examples. And the difference between Sess last season and this is as clear as day.

See the points I made. Sessegnon was our best player to the end of last season.

Yes they have. Take Ferguson, for example. How highly do you think people rate his record in the transfer market on keepers, having signed Taibi, Bosnich, and De Gea? Or when he signed Poborsky and Cruyff in the same summer? Or how we laughed when he spent millions on David Bellion? Or when he signed Eric Djemba Djemba as Roy Keane's replacement? Or when he spent millions on Kleberson or Bebe?

He didn't spend millions on Bellion. Of course having a career as long as Ferguson, he's going to make some poor signings but his good signings far outweigh the bad.

The difference is, Ferguson has a bigger budget than O'Neill. Therefore if O'Neill makes a poor signing it's more difficult to contend with.

We'll have to wait and see, I'm just hoping this Davies rumour is a load of shite and O'Neill ends up bringing in some class.
 
Every manager, even the very best, makes mistakes.

That's why the 'if MON says he's good enough then he is' line is nonsense.

Sometimes even top quality managers make signings that are obviously so bad you wonder what they are thinking.

I could've told MON before he signed Harewood, Curtis Davis or Reo-Coker that those would not be good signings.
 
See the points I made. Sessegnon was our best player to the end of last season.



He didn't spend millions on Bellion. Of course having a career as long as Ferguson, he's going to make some poor signings but his good signings far outweigh the bad.

The difference is, Ferguson has a bigger budget than O'Neill. Therefore if O'Neill makes a poor signing it's more difficult to contend with.

We'll have to wait and see, I'm just hoping this Davies rumour is a load of shite and O'Neill ends up bringing in some class.

Ferguson did spend millions on Bellion. Every SAFC fan at the time was laughing at it, and were proved right.

And O'Neill's not had a short career so by the same token there will be transfer errors. For some reason some people (including some of our own fans who didnt want him) have unfairly latched onto his record in the transfer market.

But for every Curtis Davies there is an Ashley Young, a Stewart Downing, or a James Milner. Or when it comes to forwards who everyone has written off, when he signed Tony Cottee from some backwater in Turkey and he was superb for Leicester.

Personally, I reckon he will quite enjoy demonstrating what he did at Wycombe and Leicester in getting extraordinary results with limited resources.
 
I could've told MON before he signed Harewood, Curtis Davis or Reo-Coker that those would not be good signings.

Curtis Davies was excellent for WBA, mind. Whats that about stopped clocks?;)

You're right though. Signing players is an art that involves a fair proportion of luck. There is always someone predicting it'll end in tears just as even the most daft seeming signing will always have its supporters. In the end, most football fans know about as much as the managers. Fuck all beyond an educated guess.

See the points I made. Sessegnon was our best player to the end of last season.

I just don't agree. Up to the point he was moved up front he produced the square root of fuck all by way of tangible results. The rest of my post stands.
 
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Ferguson did spend millions on Bellion. Every SAFC fan at the time was laughing at it, and were proved right.

And O'Neill's not had a short career so by the same token there will be transfer errors. For some reason some people (including some of our own fans who didnt want him) have unfairly latched onto his record in the transfer market.

But for every Curtis Davies there is an Ashley Young, a Stewart Downing, or a James Milner. Or when it comes to forwards who everyone has written off, when he signed Tony Cottee from some backwater in Turkey and he was superb for Leicester.

Personally, I reckon he will quite enjoy demonstrating what he did at Wycombe and Leicester in getting extraordinary results with limited resources.

Must admit, I did think he would have only took the job if given a decent budget this window, it's good too see that isn't the case.

I've said before that our squad really isn't that bad at all and their really is not the need to go out splashing millions every transfer window.
 
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no no no
If he can't get in the Bolton side he shouldn't be near are 1st team
Is rather take a chance n sign Rhodes or eccleston

Football doesn't always work out that obviously. A change may be what's needed to boost Davies form. Just look at what a change of manager has done for us. I think Davies would be very useful in the short term
 
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