Is COVID19 at risk of becoming a disease of the poor?



Edinburgh Black Cat said:
Important thing is knowing why the stats are the way they are
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This kind of data and analysis is quite literally what I do, specifically how different groups in society use, experience and benefit from healthcare.

I am very hesitant at the moment to make any judgements about how vaccination uptake is socially patterned, especially in areas of high minority populations.

This is because minority populations are likely to live in very poor areas. You’d need to look at everyone living in a deprived area, and then compare their uptake rates.

Age is another one. The most deprived areas, and highly diverse areas are both younger on average. Poor people die much younger on average and minority people tend to be younger on average.

I suspect if you take this dataset, control for factors such as age and ethnicity, then there won’t be much of a ‘socioeconomic gradient’ to the data, in other words, I suspect that amongst the older white population, the uptake gap will be smaller between the richest and poorest.

Some areas are reporting 95%+ uptake in the elderly. That just isn’t possible with huge gulfs in uptake between different groups.
 
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Frijj said:
It still is, but it’s exceptionally more common in minority communities due to travel. Though 2020 will be an odd year for TB incidence.

In white communities TB is almost always due to alcohol, drugs, homelessness or prison.
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Didnt realise was still around in any number tbh. Thought it was going way of smallpox.
 
Same in Peterborough, although it's not the case of folk being poor, the positive cases and hospitalisations in the Pakistani area of the city are way more than anywhere else. They must be declining the invite to a vaccine etc.
 
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Frijj said:
This kind of data and analysis is quite literally what I do, specifically how different groups in society use, experience and benefit from healthcare.

I am very hesitant at the moment to make any judgements about how vaccination uptake is socially patterned, especially in areas of high minority populations.

This is because minority populations are likely to live in very poor areas. You’d need to look at everyone living in a deprived area, and then compare their uptake rates.

Age is another one. The most deprived areas, and highly diverse areas are both younger on average. Poor people die much younger on average and minority people tend to be younger on average.

I suspect if you take this dataset, control for factors such as age and ethnicity, then there won’t be much of a ‘socioeconomic gradient’ to the data, in other words, I suspect that amongst the older white population, the uptake gap will be smaller between the richest and poorest.

Some areas are reporting 95%+ uptake in the elderly. That just isn’t possible with huge gulfs in uptake between different groups.
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I am going to steal this analysis 😉
 
I'm a bit well off, my mother in law is very well off, my brother in law is properley loaded...we all got Covid. Personally I don't know anyone who caught it that you could call poor, so if my perspective is skewed others will be too.
 
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DEfromBC said:
That article focuses on certain areas not taking up the offer of the vaccine. They will undoubtedly suffer more from COVID. That has nothing to do with area being poor, it relates to ignorance.
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100% this.

The people who I generally see not abiding by the rules, not wearing masks and refusing the vaccine are those that the data tells us are the greatest risk i.e. poorer people, BAME communities, those who are over weight.

The media paints this as a problem created by society and those in power, which is true to an extent, but surely there has to be some looking in the mirror as well. May sound harsh, but if you reject the vaccine and die it's your own f***ing fault.
 
Sir Lancelot said:
It was - until we stopped vaccinating children and allowed unvaccinated people in from areas of the globe where TB runs rife.
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Jab everyone who comes in! And charge them for it.
I had to pay for my jabs to go to Tanzania - sensible thing to do too. If you want to go somewhere where there's a chance you could catch something - get a jab.
Similarly, if you're coming from somewhere where there's a potential for infection, you either don't let them in, or you inoculate them.
The NHS could earn quite a bit doing that. No doubt some Tory mate will get their friend's company to do it instead
 

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