Absolute piece of piss to get him out in ODI cricket then...
Absolute piece of piss to get him out in ODI cricket then...
If they had 3 slips and a gully and a dukes ball that moves rather than a white kookaburra that does fuck all
Oh.
Yeah it would be if ODIs lasted 5 games and were played with a red ball
Not sure if you are being serious like
Steak Pie
Striker
Recent history of what, a great innings in the CC and a couple of great one day hits? People are going on like Hales being left out of Test team is some kind of massive injustice, this is becoming really weird.
No idea why they took Ballance, I wouldn't have. And let's not forget, he didn't play. This deflection is getting a bit silly and it doesn't change Alex Hales' record in red ball cricket, poor as it is.
Jesus wept.
rentaghost
Striker
Dear me
i have seen some cricket threads where you acutally sound is if you know what you are talking about. Steak Pie and the rat have addressed your comment as i would have.
The kookaburra ball they use for tests in every country bar England? The kookaburra ball that moves for the first few overs and Hales is an opener?
You have to have at least one catcher in ODI cricket for the power play overs, only 2 outside the ring. Put an extra slip in, bowl length off stump line, nick off, game over for Hales.
I wonder why nobody has ever tried it? Because it's just generalised bullshit.
rentaghost
Striker
The dukes ball which Hales would have to face in half of any test matches he plays. If he's out almost every single time edging to slip in test cricket how could it be 'generalised bullshit' you knacker
Its there in black and white - Hales got an early hundred against a piss weak Sri Lankan attack and then spent the rest of his test career giving the keeper and slips catching practice.
In test cricket they can put in 4 slips bowl 4th stump line and the edge will always come. It might be straight off, it might take a few overs but in limited overs where every run is precious very few will put in 4 slips and a gully for very long. The percentages are more in his favour.
The dukes ball which Hales would have to face in half of any test matches he plays. If he's out almost every single time edging to slip in test cricket how could it be 'generalised bullshit' you knacker
Its there in black and white - Hales got an early hundred against a piss weak Sri Lankan attack and then spent the rest of his test career giving the keeper and slips catching practice.
In test cricket they can put in 4 slips bowl 4th stump line and the edge will always come. It might be straight off, it might take a few overs but in limited overs where every run is precious very few will put in 4 slips and a gully for very long. The percentages are more in his favour.
Pure generalisation.
Keeper, 1 and a half slip and 3rd slip, plus a gully instead of backward point, for a dozen balls a sure fire way of getting a good player out with such bad flaws. But nobody willing try it, hmmm.
Hales should have been selected for tests at back end of last summer. Playing in seaming conditions against the duke ball would have been a good test to see if he had improved enough to go on an Ashes trip which would have a lot less ball movement but more bounce.
Or we could have picked Vince and Ballance. Oops we did!
I wish the Aussie selectors had such a narrow minded pigeon holing of players as yourself. A pure slogger like Warner would have never faced a ball in test cricket.
Do you really believe this? Because it’s nonsense
rentaghost
Striker
Not sure where to start here
Firstly Warner and Hales. Both started off as successful aggressive ODI players, both got opportunities in test cricket. One player was shown up to have blatant technical deficiencies nicking off left, right and centre and the other scored 3 big hundreds in his first 9 tests including a 180 v India and has always had a test batting average 45+ and now close to 50. One has the game for test cricket and one blatantly hasn't.I quite like the Hales / Vince comment as well and its mocking tone of them selecting Vince ahead of the mighty Hales. Neither are cut out for it and both are similar in the way they get out but as poor as Vince was in Australia he still scored more runs at a higher average than Hales did against SA and Pakistan. Hales doesn't even have aspirations of being a test cricketer, he knows his game is cut out for the big money the short form of the game can offer and he will do everything he can to get even better at this form of the game - so he should.
Of course it's nonsense. If Alex Hales is such a bad player against bog standard test match style bowling they would bowl exactly like that to him in ODI's. If he was playing and missing he isn't scoring, a nick goes to the keeper or third man. The keeper makes about half of the catches behind the wicket in cricket anyway.
Hales wouldn't be opening in test cricket anyway so again less lateral movement especially against the kookaburra. As he's been completely overlooked in favour of poor players like Vince and Ballance he's basically give up which is a shame IMO.
This refusal to accept that Hales' record is poor (and miles behind Gary Ballance's) despite it being a clear matter of record is absolutely hilarious.
I don't dispute Ballance deserved the other chance or 2 he's had based on his record at both test cricket and at first class cricket too. I do dispute his selection for the Ashes because he's completely and utterly failed in those chances he was given.
Hales should have been given another chance before Vince and Malan IMO because neither did anything remotely special to deserve a go. Malan came up trumps against the odds to be fair.
I really don’t think you grasp the difference between the two games
Jesus mate, basic lacking of understanding of cricket in this post. Its a different ball, different pitches, different fields
Surely you know this by now?
why do you think Jimmy Anderson doesn't swing the white ball round corners with 3 slips and a gully in white ball cricket?
Bri
Striker
Often the field has shorter boundaries to encourage spectacular sixes.
The same reason he doesn't tend to do it in test cricket abroad in poor seaming conditions with the kookaburra ball?
You can set attacking fields in ODI cricket, it's overly defensive fields that are outlawed. People bowl in the corridor in tests regularly with only a couple of slips. If Hales was such a poor player just outside off stump people would attack him there in ODI's. They don't which IMO would suggests they see better ways of getting him out and restricting his scoring.
That is the point I am making.
rentaghost
Striker
I know the point you are asking. Do you not recognize the difference between having 4 slips and a gully and bowling and off stump line monotonously for as long as is required testing his weakness time after time after time compared to maybe having 2 slips and a gully for 3 or 4 overs in an ODI. Hales may well back himself to survive for a few overs, there is every chance in the ODI's if he does edge it driving it may find the gap anyway, much less likely in test cricket. He has a massive weakness for test cricket and his priorities aren't in resolving that weakness.
It isn't a valid point though marra, for starters, the white ball swings for about an over.
You can't have 3 or 4 slips for 50 overs, where you do in test cricket
Its 2 different games like
I do think some players can make the transition to red ball, but you need to be a hell of a talent. I think Buttler could and should be playing.
I get all the arguments for why he isn't in the side, but I actually think he was starting to crack it in India. I'd have him keeping wicket with Bairstow at 4, was finally converted after the Ashes, where Bairstow was far too rash batting with the tail.
Hales is a talent, and I think he would have performed better in the middle order, who knows but can't say he earned a recall.
I think its unfair to quote Vince as an example in all this, everyone agrees that isn't a sane pick, so you could make a justification for picking anyone on that basis
Think you have the right to think Hales could do a job, but your comparisons of the tactics in white ball and red ball cricket are way off
I've waffled on there massively
I watched that Australia New Zealand game the other day, the worst cricket game I have ever seen.
The straight boundaries were just over 50 metres, the men in the ring were closer to the boundary than to the wicket.
The commentators kept going "what an amazing shot", when Warner had just chipped in 50 yards for 6.
Farce.
Voice of fair play
Striker
Yeah agree with first point massively with the talent he has it is now time for Bairstow to be batting up the order especially with the lack of depth with other batsman.
I am also a massive Buttler fan and would like to see him in the side.
However with his current situation of playing very little first class championship cricket ,it is very difficult to justify that maybe time to give another keeper ago with Bairstow higher up the order,
