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University student stabbed


brains said:
I understand your perspective, I just don't think the previous poster' post is a disgrace. He's making a valid point.

If the family had called the police and said that the lad had tried to climb through their window ad burgle the house and fell onto the fence. Without any mention of racism. Then proceeded to all lie to the officers. The male officer could very well have acted in the same way and not believed the victim.

Thr coppers have turned up and there's a group of people saying one thing and a lad on the floor saying another.

Can he not just have made a bad error of judgement?

Why does it have to be that he has perceives that potential racism is worse than a potential stabbing? Because quite frankly I find that suggestion absurd.

It's a huge failing and the poor lad has lost his life. But the incident shouldn't be made into another divisive issue IMO.
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How can you find it absurd when it's right there in front of you, it's what happened.

If I take your burglary example into account, I'm still going to say the same thing, CHECK IF THE LAD HAS ACTUALLY BEEN STABBED! But it wasn't burglary, because this family didn't have to say that. They instead chose to say the lad is guilty of what modern day liberalism and the horrendous push to the far left have decided is the worst crime of all. Racism.
 
parm said:
in slight defence of the police here you have to remember all through the training and education they get racism is the number one crime anyone can carry out , so little wonder they act like they do in this case
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If the perps had been telling the truth and they hadn't believed their claims, the cops know they'd be hauled over the coals and almost certainly lose their jobs. Sadly the lads killers also know this which is why they concocted the story. They will have expected to get away with murdering him because they claimed racism.
 
EiffelTower said:
Agree on the latter part. Not sure it is acting perfectly to check on someone that is laying down and claiming to be stabbed. There is no ulterior motive, but there is clear evidence of being duped and acting abhorrently in a pressure moment, and you should be held accountable for that in your job via disciplinary action.
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I think whenever there's accusations of institutional racism I think it's useful to have to look at things through the alternative lens. If there's a man of colour on the floor in distress after being in an altercation with 2 white brothers making similar accusations, would the police have acted in the same manner? I don't know police procedures but I would expect their training and worries over accusations of racial bias would cause them to act in a different way. It may not be institutional racism in the way the Stephen Lawrence family suffered and campaigned against but it at least needs to be discussed. Obviously, everything is still raw but there needs to be a real think about policing in the modern world.
 
Lil Layne said:
How can you find it absurd when it's right there in front of you, it's what happened.

If I take your burglary example into account, I'm still going to say the same thing, CHECK IF THE LAD HAS ACTUALLY BEEN STABBED! But it wasn't burglary, because this family didn't have to say that. They instead chose to say the lad is guilty of what modern day liberalism and the horrendous push to the far left have decided is the worst crime of all. Racism.
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No...it's what you have decided has happened.

It doesn't mean at all that the copper considers one crime worse than the other.

He's made an incorrect judgement on what has happened, based largely on the lies of several people at the scene.
 
tunstallhill said:
oh aye, in hindsight they should have a had a look immediately. i can see why in the first 60 seconds of their arrival on the scene it may have looked he was playing the funny bugger given how calm the rest of them were. it really didn't look like any of the family had been doing any stabbing, given their body language.

its 1000 peices of information landing at the coppers feet in the first 10 seconds of arrival and they've prioritised those elements of information wrong. why they did that, no one will know.

right wing people will say its because of inherent racism against white people
normal people will say its because they are human and humans make mistakes, in this instance a catastrophic mistake in the heat of the moment
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I think we broadly agree, although you are far more sympathetic than I have been to the police.

I'm willing to admit that I've dealt with Hampshire Constabulary a lot over the years - and I hasten to add I have no criminal record - and I can tell you arrogance and incompetence has been a common pairing in the officers I have encountered.
 
brains said:
No...it's what you have decided has happened.

It doesn't mean at all that the copper considers one crime worse than the other.

He's made an incorrect judgement on what has happened, based largely on the lies of several people at the scene.
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What was the lie they told?

Why do you think that, despite having just stabbed someone, they thought this particular lie would help?

Despite it not even being the case in this instance, do you think that stabbing, slashing, and murder would be a fair response to racism.
Wansbeck Viking said:
Apologies for not reading the whole thread but what caused the incident?

Was there words said, or a scuffle?
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A drunk lad was being silly, and a lad who went out carrying at least 2 blades was buzzing his tits off he finally got the chance to use them.
 
Wansbeck Viking said:
Apologies for not reading the whole thread but what caused the incident?

Was there words said, or a scuffle?
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"Nowak then began to film Digwa. Video recovered from Nowak's phone captured Nowak saying "Hello car" and singing to himself before yawning, while Digwa was walking away from him. Nowak then continued to say: "Innit bad man, what bad man. You're a bad man, say you're a bad man, go on." Digwa, still walking away in Nowak's
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video, replied: "I am a bad man", and Nowak said "Are you a b....", before the footage ends.
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Digwa inflicted five "stab wounds or cuts" onto Nowak, including a fatal wound to the chest and additional wounds to his legs using the 21-cm (8 inch) blade he was carrying."


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Safc98 said:
Because one person said they’ve been stabbed, one person said they’d been the victim of hurty words. Guess who the officer believed.
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That doesn't mean that he believes ome crime is worse than the other.

He's made a jusgement based on information given to him at the scene. Several people are telling him the same story (which they have made up) a d one man is telling him the opposite.

It's a failing, there is no getting away from it. But people are doing the usual thing and using a horrendous incident to further their own agendas.

You reall think that if you stood the officer in question in a room prior to this incident and asked him what the worst crime is out of a minor racially aggravated assault and stabbing someone with a blade in the chest. He would say the racially aggravated minor assault?
 
Bluepaul said:
The Digwa family have just released a statement and closed it with this.

"We now ask for privacy as we come to terms with what lies ahead."

Poor people eh, must be really hard for them, maybe Keir will pop round and do a welfare check.
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Fuck off about Keir bastard Starmer will ya, a kids dead. The problems that caused this shit didn't start 18 month ago, get a grip.
 
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Lil Layne said:
What was the lie they told?

Why do you think that, despite having just stabbed someone, they thought this particular lie would help?

Despite it not even being the case in this instance, do you think that stabbing, slashing, and murder would be a fair response to racism.

A drunk lad was being silly, and a lad who went out carrying at least 2 blades was buzzing his tits off he finally got the chance to use them.
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He was under the drink driving limit.
 
parm said:
in slight defence of the police here you have to remember all through the training and education they get racism is the number one crime anyone can carry out , so little wonder they act like they do in this case
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Is that correct?

I've had a quick look on the College of Policing site and can't see anything like that.

(of course it isn't correct).
 
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brains said:
That doesn't mean that he believes ome crime is worse than the other.

He's made a jusgement based on information given to him at the scene. Several people are telling him the same story (which they have made up) a d one man is telling him the opposite.

It's a failing, there is no getting away from it. But people are doing the usual thing and using a horrendous incident to further their own agendas.

You reall think that if you stood the officer in question in a room prior to this incident and asked him what the worst crime is out of a minor racially aggravated assault and stabbing someone with a blade in the chest. He would say the racially aggravated minor assault?
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His actions would suggest so yes. What agenda do I have? The facts play out in front of you on the footage.
 
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