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University student stabbed

Safc98 said:
It’s absolutely staggering. The police just hire so many genuinely stupid people now as no one wants to do the job. They should be facing criminal charges themselves. At the very least they should be sued and sacked.
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Country is on its absolute arse with it. The amount of videos you see of some random chav holding their own against 4/5 nerdy police officers on social media is hilarious
 

Super Mario said:
He would have had to drag him out to check his wounds as well, the comment he's made is horrible mind but as I have said a few times, once he was seen to be bleeding an ambulance was called. This is just a terrible situation in which the person to blame has been found guilty and there is no racist angle.

For context this kind of thing happens throughout the country people get arrested then de arrested due to a heat attack or because new information comes to light and the consequences are not as stark as they were here.

And that statement whilst I'm sure is well meaning doesn't reflect what the police deal with on a day to day basis.

Do I? That seems like more mind reading and more bias.
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Now you're just using hyperbolic verbs to justify your outrageous narrative. They wouldn't have to 'drag' him anywhere. All they needed to do was open his jacket and see for themselves. You're just being obtuse at this point.
 
mackem1989 said:
Or they could have attempted to save him. I would rather know an officer was trying to save the life of a family member who had been stabbed than let them die in handcuffs.

The officer in question needs to be up in court himself. Not being able to save someone and refusing to help someone are two massive differences in here.
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No I agree I think that police officer and those around them who failed to make sure the victim was ok need to answer for this in court. The police have got away with so many serious failings over the years it has to stop now
 
brains said:
I'm not claiming anything to do with racism. I just think that the copper has made a huge error of judgement and unfortunately the lad involved has passed away, which makes the error of judgement worse. It is only around 2 minutes of body cam footage from when he drags him from the car until he's unresponsive, so it's not a massively prolonged period.

I'm aware as well that when police turn up to an incident people lie to them regularly...but when a lad is telling you he's been stabbed and can't breathe and is pretty much motionless then your first action should be to ensure there are no wounds...He's basically stuck dying behind the car when the video starts...
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Total failure of the cops duty of care and someone died because of it. They need to answer for this
 
Hugh Gains said:
Not sure

Sentencing remakes say nowak said nothing rwcist and the only claims of racism came from the accused

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Yes i know im just wondering why Henry was recording him on snapchat and telling him to say he was a a bad man in the initial interaction when they didn't know eachother
 
Harrowing case, really horrible. White lives matter and all that rubbish from the usual suspects doesn't help at this point.

If it was two white blokes from Burnley involved and one of them rang the police to report the crime, stayed there with his family as the police arrived then human nature would lead you to believe the supposed victim at the time. It is chilling that the brother and the perpetrator were able to act like this to mislead the police officer initially whilst the real victim lay helpless.

However, there is clearly a duty of care to check once the victim makes the complaint and the words of don't think you have to a lad in clear distress are a disgrace by any serving officer. He should be losing his job as a minimum, mistakes happen in a fast paced environment and I think he's fallen for believing the story and that will live with him for the rest of his life. I can see criminal charges being brought eventually but I can't abide the level of racial hatred that the usual suspects will incite in a point scoring exercise.
 
I’m not a police officer so maybe I don’t understand the frame of mind that’s required but I’d drop a bollock if someone told me they’d just been stabbed after arriving on scene. Can deal with any other accusations later, preserve life is the top priority and why (you'd hope) they sign up for the job. This is an egregious police error
 
John the Savage said:
Now you're just using hyperbolic verbs to justify your outrageous narrative. They wouldn't have to 'drag' him anywhere. All they needed to do was open his jacket and see for themselves. You're just being obtuse at this point.
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If paramedics had arrived they would have pulled or dragged him out to get a look at his wounds or to see if he had any, moving bodies is very different if you suspect someone has a spinal injury but in this instance a paramedic would have probably done something very similar because time is more important than a few scrapes.
EiffelTower said:
Harrowing case, really horrible. White lives matter and all that rubbish from the usual suspects doesn't help at this point.

If it was two white blokes from Burnley involved and one of them rang the police to report the crime, stayed there with his family as the police arrived then human nature would lead you to believe the supposed victim at the time. It is chilling that the brother and the perpetrator were able to act like this to mislead the police officer initially whilst the real victim lay helpless.

However, there is clearly a duty of care to check once the victim makes the complaint and the words of don't think you have to a lad in clear distress are a disgrace by any serving officer. He should be losing his job as a minimum, mistakes happen in a fast paced environment and I think he's fallen for believing the story and that will live with him for the rest of his life. I can see criminal charges being brought eventually but I can't abide the level of racial hatred that the usual suspects will incite in a point scoring exercise.
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Losing his job man, look it is a very crass comment in retrospect but the reason the lad died was his stab wounds not because a copper made a cynical comment.
mackem1989 said:
“I can’t breath”

“I’ve been stabbed”

“I don’t think you have mate”

The copper did not check on him then. That’s enough to throw the book at the bastard.
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There was a female officer assessing him as that copper made that comment.
 
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Lil Layne said:
It seems a bit of a stretch to suggest that... Proceeds to explain exactly what happened.
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I think it's unlikely they saw he had been stabbed and handcuffed him, probably more likely they thought he was drunk and once they saw he was actually telling the truth called an ambulance.
 
Super Mario said:
If paramedics had arrived they would have pulled or dragged him out to get a look at his wounds or to see if he had any, moving bodies is very different if you suspect someone has a spinal injury but in this instance a paramedic would have probably done something very similar because time is more important than a few scrapes.

Losing his job man, look it is a very crass comment in retrospect but the reason the lad died was his stab wounds not because a copper made a cynical comment.

There was a female officer assessing him as that copper made that comment.
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No she assisted after not right on the comment
He said it handcuffed him, she had a little look then he read his rights time in situations like this is vital.

You check on people first in these situations you have to take it serious, I’ve been in this situation before in my line of work

And I feel the officers actions were poor and misjudged and the family deserve justice

21 years is also a light sentence for what the man has done killed, mislead and conned people
 
Super Mario said:
Losing his job man, look it is a very crass comment in retrospect but the reason the lad died was his stab wounds not because a copper made a cynical comment.
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I don't say it lightly but if you have potentially cost someone their life then you need to be held accountable. At the very least he should be taken off the front line.

The right wing twitter mob seem to have his name and picture anyway so every chance it will be untenable for him to be a visible serving officer anyway in this day and age
 
Super Mario said:
I think it's unlikely they saw he had been stabbed and handcuffed him, probably more likely they thought he was drunk and once they saw he was actually telling the truth called an ambulance.
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All ifs buts and maybes here. Police didn’t act on camera what was said. Like I said you have to take it serious. They didn’t at the start and they will rightly get investigated.
EiffelTower said:
I don't say it lightly but if you have potentially cost someone their life then you need to be held accountable. At the very least he should be taken off the front line.

The right wing twitter mob seem to have his name and picture anyway so every chance it will be untenable for him to be a visible serving officer anyway in this day and age
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Putting the officers name up is idiotic like and it will also turn into a left vs right battle as per and people will forget the victim quick.
 
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mackem1989 said:
No she assisted after not right on the comment
He said it handcuffed him, she had a little look then he read his rights time in situations like this is vital.

You check on people first in these situations you have to take it serious, I’ve been in this situation before in my line of work

And I feel the officers actions were poor and misjudged and the family deserve justice

21 years is also a light sentence for what the man has done killed, mislead and conned people
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She was checking his pupils as or immediately after he was read his rights from what I saw like.

That isn't what you do mind the first thing all emergency services do is keep themselves and public safe, then they assess any perpetrators or victims. If a situation isn't safe policy is to call for police back up or armed units.
 
Super Mario said:
I think it's unlikely they saw he had been stabbed and handcuffed him, probably more likely they thought he was drunk and once they saw he was actually telling the truth called an ambulance.
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I think it's unlikely they saw.... proceeds to explain exactly what was there to be seen.
 
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