Discounts for OAPs

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You started a thread moaning about OAPs getting discounts, and you are wondering why I think you are moaning about OAPs getting discounts. I'm not being obtuse here I am sitting thinking WTF are you talking about then.

So there are two conversations, the original topic of attacking OAPs for private businesses giving them discounts.

The other is more what you are saying, about young people feeling they have a harder life than OAPs had and have a raw deal. But I honestly do not believe that.

Getting a house is now a lot more difficult for a number of reasons & not just buying but also renting. Ditto for pensions.

And its pretty much known that governments pander to the grey vote as they vote in greater numbers

 

[chunkyshanhawk53]

You started a thread moaning about OAPs getting discounts, and you are wondering why I think you are moaning about OAPs getting discounts. I'm not being obtuse here I am sitting thinking WTF are you talking about then.

You’re absolutely ignoring the point then. You’ve literally just ignored it again. Do you want to actually address the actual post you just quoted?

Whilst sneering at people. Because you perceive them as sneering. (I admire this, it’s quality)

Whilst logging on when you’re out with your mates to call me a wanker. Whilst accusing others of “seething in their bitterness” (I kind of admire this; but only if its done with some irony)

Ps I don’t hate my parents or any elderly folk. Just for the record. Again

 

[GravesendLad]

You’re absolutely ignoring the point then. You’ve literally just ignored it again. Do you want to actually address the actual post you just quoted?

Whilst sneering at people. Because you perceive them as sneering. (I admire this, it’s quality)

Whilst logging on when you’re out with your mates to call me a wanker. Whilst accusing others of “seething in their bitterness” (I kind of admire this; but only if its done with some irony)

Ps I don’t hate my parents or any elderly folk. Just for the record. Again

I just love that level of cowadice..

 

[zinedine]

of course it's true. it's called the politics of envy.

This.

 

[Qwerty]

That does not seem fair.

If you are retired I think you have paid your way and you should be able to reap the fruits of your labours.

I don’t get how you can pay tax on money you’ve never had but I hope it’s not a lot of money you’ve never had or you could have a wopping big tax bill.

Disagree, the current pensioners weren't willing to pay extra tax when they were workers so the pensioners at that time could be tax free.

Because it costs an absolute fortune and some of those people don't really need it?

I agree some don't need it but at what level of income isn't it needed?

 

[zinedine]

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This might be interesting when comparing the generations:

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Does anyone know the best method to adjust each data point for inflation or any other changes that should be required? So if I look at that and see that in 1977 the average household had £2,500 per year of disposable income, what could that get you compared to today? Or another way of phrasing that is, did people in 1977 have more cash to spend on luxuries than we have today?

One reason I'm asking is, because I am seeing people say on this thread that they have had a comfortable life and young people today have it hard. But I am just not seeing that. I saw my parents generation struggle while young people today spend a fortune on all sorts of contracts and subscriptions. While the equivalent did not exist in the late 70s, if you adjust what people spend on broadband, mobile phone (replacing handsets every couple of years), Spotify, one or two TV & Film streaming contracts, gym memberships etc etc, then look at what is spent on take-away and eating out (which was not really as much of a thing), I am seeing the current moaning generation having all these luxuries every month that my parents did not spend similarly adjusted amounts on. They couldn't afford to.

My perception is that those claims are bollocks, other people's claims are the opposite. So can the stats shed any light on the reality.

So you want discounts for OAPs and other people struggling? Like those on universal credit?

£2,500 in 1977 is equal to just over £15,000 today.

 

[TZMouk]

One reason I'm asking is, because I am seeing people say on this thread that they have had a comfortable life and young people today have it hard. But I am just not seeing that. I saw my parents generation struggle while young people today spend a fortune on all sorts of contracts and subscriptions. While the equivalent did not exist in the late 70s, if you adjust what people spend on broadband, mobile phone (replacing handsets every couple of years), Spotify, one or two TV & Film streaming contracts, gym memberships etc etc, then look at what is spent on take-away and eating out (which was not really as much of a thing), I am seeing the current moaning generation having all these luxuries every month that my parents did not spend similarly adjusted amounts on. They couldn't afford to.

My perception is that those claims are bollocks, other people's claims are the opposite. So can the stats shed any light on the reality.

This is a wild claim like

 

[Qwerty]

I'm absolutely convinced that a fair percentage of the better off ones don't actually realise that they're pulling in more than a lot of working people.

Hopefully I live long enough to cash in my public sector pension which I've paid into since I was 35 and my private pension which I paid into from 18 to 35.

If we start saying only the poorest pensioners get free and discounted stuff it'll put off people paying into pensions. Especially those on a middle to low wage as they could potentially end up worse off than those who have put nothing away

I love to see discounts for our cherished OAPs.

They have given a lifetime of work and now find themselves embroiled in the benefits culture where work is a foreign language for the underclass.

Let’s celebrate and cherish our OAPs.

God bless you all.

I know plenty of OAPs who didn't do a day of graft since their 30s.
The underclass will become cherished OAPs

 

[Zimba]

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This might be interesting when comparing the generations:

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Does anyone know the best method to adjust each data point for inflation or any other changes that should be required? So if I look at that and see that in 1977 the average household had £2,500 per year of disposable income, what could that get you compared to today? Or another way of phrasing that is, did people in 1977 have more cash to spend on luxuries than we have today?

Why 1977? It's a complete moot point.

It doesn't matter what happened then we're not comparing youth vs youth. Using your own data you linked there the economy has pretty stalled since 2008 and guess who benefitted from the massive gains from 1977 to 2008...

The problem is things like housing prices hasn't stalled since 2008.

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- Graph showing it.

 

[Big Jeff]

Hopefully I live long enough to cash in my public sector pension which I've paid into since I was 35 and my private pension which I paid into from 18 to 35.

If we start saying only the poorest pensioners get free and discounted stuff it'll put off people paying into pensions. Especially those on a middle to low wage as they could potentially end up worse off than those who have put nothing away

I know plenty of OAPs who didn't do a day of graft since their 30s.
The underclass will become cherished OAPs

Most of our senior citizens have done 40 years of work.

They had a job, they worked and they contributed.

Now it’s their turn to put their feet up and enjoy life.

It seems there are a few posters on here, probably the resident moaning socialists, who want to see them taxed into the grave.

Lefties have no joy whatsoever in their lives. They are consumed by hate, perceived injustice and spite.

It must be terribly exhausting for your type of people.

Have a glass of champagne, some canapés and just breathe.

You will find it highly invigorating.

Carry on comrades.

 

[c032745y]

Most of our senior citizens have done 40 years of work.

They had a job, they worked and they contributed.

Now it’s their turn to put their feet up and enjoy life.

It seems there are a few posters on here, probably the resident moaning socialists, who want to see them taxed into the grave.

Lefties have no joy whatsoever in their lives. They are consumed by hate, perceived injustice and spite.

It must be terribly exhausting for your type of people.

Have a glass of champagne, some canapés and just breathe.

You will find it highly invigorating.

Carry on comrades.

Tan it easy bonny lad, some of us old twats are the ones who fought for workers rights, including pensions...

 

[Qwerty]

Most of our senior citizens have done 40 years of work.

They had a job, they worked and they contributed.

Now it’s their turn to put their feet up and enjoy life.

It seems there are a few posters on here, probably the resident moaning socialists, who want to see them taxed into the grave.

Lefties have no joy whatsoever in their lives. They are consumed by hate, perceived injustice and spite.

It must be terribly exhausting for your type of people.

Have a glass of champagne, some canapés and just breathe.

You will find it highly invigorating.

Carry on comrades.

My point stands not all OAPs have worked 40 years, as you've now recognized by saying most pensioners .
It'll be 50 years anyway.

In my previous posts I've defended discounts/ free stuff for pensioners as means testing it will result in the middle to low paid thinking a private pension is pointless.

A state pension where the downtrodden pensioners are funded by taxes is a very socialist idea. I knew there was a bit of lefty in you Jeff

 

[Big Jeff]

My point stands not all OAPs have worked 40 years, as you've now recognized by saying most pensioners .
It'll be 50 years anyway.

In my previous posts I've defended discounts/ free stuff for pensioners as means testing it will result in the middle to low paid thinking a private pension is pointless.

A state pension where the downtrodden pensioners are funded by taxes is a very socialist idea. I knew there was a bit of lefty in you Jeff

Oh Christ I’ve been outed.

I confess!

It’s taken a while but it had to end eventually.

 

[Qwerty]

Oh Christ I’ve been outed.

I confess!

It’s taken a while but it had to end eventually.

No worries Jeff. Only tits say they hate socialism or capitalism. We need them both to compliment each other.

 

[Big Jeff]

No worries Jeff. Only tits say they hate socialism or capitalism. We need them both to compliment each other.

Ying and Yang

 

[Qwerty]

Ying and Yang

Nobody hates capitalism when they're making a few quid and nobody hates socialism when they're collecting their state pension.

 

[socrates]

Disagree, the current pensioners weren't willing to pay extra tax when they were workers so the pensioners at that time could be tax free.

I agree some don't need it but at what level of income isn't it needed?

Government has always dictated how much tax we pay, how can current pensioners not be willing to pay extra tax when they were working?

I'm a pensioner and paid my tax and NI throughout 43 years of continuous employment, and now aged 76 I still pay income tax.

As an aside, I've always had the winter fuel allowance and didnt really need it so it went to charity. This year it was means tested, so even though I didnt need it, I got it. But the Gov are reclaiming it in full through adjusting my Tax Code. Charity loses out.

 

[Big Jeff]

Government has always dictated how much tax we pay, how can current pensioners not be willing to pay extra tax when they were working?

I'm a pensioner and paid my tax and NI throughout 43 years of continuous employment, and now aged 76 I still pay income tax.

As an aside, I've always had the winter fuel allowance and didnt really need it so it went to charity. This year it was means tested, so even though I didnt need it, I got it. But the Gov are reclaiming it in full through adjusting my Tax Code. Charity loses out.

That’s socialism for you in a nutshell

Do nowt( not you obviously), spend your life on benefits and get your share out.

Disgraceful.

 

[errant]

That’s socialism for you in a nutshell

That’s daily mail speak for you in a nutshell

 

[zinedine]

Older people are the selfish tossers not younger people - especially baby boomers.

Literally got everything handed on a plate and done absolutely fuck all for it unlike older generations who fought in wars and the younger generations which have been hit with financial crashes and global instability.

The same people who are now voting Reform.

I know one thing the boom generation did wrong. They gave birth to ungrateful fuckas like you.