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Southampton spying compendium thread


forever changes said:
Just give it to Hull. They are the only team who won. And deduct points from Southampton for start of season. Middlesbrough shouldn’t benefit as they lost over 2 legs
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Where do you draw the line then? They lost over two legs after Southampton broke the rules (if proven) - we lost a play off final but it was OK for us to go up?
 
Gloucester said:
If it stands I wonder if Boro fans will go on about Southampton the way a lot of ours do about Coventry in 1977.
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In the opposite way if they're kicked out and the smogs progress and make the Premier League ... master Salt, weird German and the club will be lauded for their misdemeanours!
 
buster said:
What do you think he saw / found out that was anything different from what they’d seen the previous matches throughout the season then ?
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Probably nothing, possibly something. For example Hull in the second leg at Millwall went 3 at the back when they had barely done so previously. Remember in 1990 when Warren Hawke was thrown in and nobody expected it. More to the point Southampton clearly felt there was something to be gained by doing it.
 
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North Yorks Mackem said:
Theyre different bodies awarding the penalties, but theyre from the same footballing pyramid. To say its like comparing penalties between UK and USA is wrong imo.

You're right theyre entirely different breaches. But id argue, man city in particular, gained a far greater advantage. Not sure why we'd be more lenient because its financial doping.

If it’s proven to be a one off spying mission from a car park that anyone can access i personally think itd be crackers to expel them from the competition. Fine and points or suspended point penalty far more appropriate.
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Being within the pyramid are probably the only thing they have in common though, and PL would happily get out of that if they could. They don’t even need to enforce each other’s punishments that’s how little the PL care for the EFL.

Man City isn’t over yet so they might if found guilty receive a greater penalty than most think. For me financial breaches are given more ‘lenient’ punishment because it’s harder to quantify how the cheating helped. Playing an eligible player or spying on your opponents is a single game and is easy to award a 3-0 win to them.

If it’s just 1 lone wolf filming on his phone and that video never got back to Southampton coaches then it would be crackers but if they saw the video and didn’t report it then they knew and allowed it, for me they deserve to be kicked out. Don’t care of the video was only them messing around taking shots at the keeper or if it was them doing pens it’s cheating and they knew and covered up.

Nobody knows the extent of the cheating (if any) but if it has happened and Southampton gained even 0.1% of of advantage precedent needs setting and that’s being kicked out, 1 goal changed the whole situation over 210+ minutes a tiny advantage is huge.
 
buster said:
There’s absolutely nothing a young lad with an iPhone could identify that their analysis of the previous 40 or so matches wouldn’t already have pointed out.

It’s almost comical.
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It's so pointless, yet Southampton still took a massive risk sending him, knowing it was against the rules.

Bold move by Southampton, to actively break the rules even though there'd be no benefit......
 
Surely the EFL have to rule on this today?

It's open and shut - they sent an employee to spy on training. It's largely irrelevant whether or not he was able to relay information back to the club, or if everything he recorded was deleted. Someone in the club sanctioned this offence, someone committed it and they were caught in the act. It simply doesn't matter that they spied in the most cack-handed way possible - they still sought to gain an unfair advantage and must be punished.

The first leg should be voided - 3-0 win for Boro. If Southampton want to appeal then Southampton will have to face the wrath of every other club they've spied on this season. That's a great way of adding a points deduction to their punishment.
 
forever changes said:
Just give it to Hull. They are the only team who won. And deduct points from Southampton for start of season. Middlesbrough shouldn’t benefit as they lost over 2 legs
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But, our training session being spied on is a major factor in WHY we lost.
It's not about 'benefitting' - it's about the fact that we 'lost' to a team that broke the rules at our expense.
 
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rentaghost said:
Probably nothing, possibly something. For example Hull in the second leg at Millwall went 3 at the back when they had barely done so previously. Remember in 1990 when Warren Hawke was thrown in and nobody expected it. More to the point Southampton clearly felt there was something to be gained by doing it.
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That’s the important bit isn’t it? Whether they learned something new or not, they broke the rules to try and gain an advantage.
 
Hardly think it's been worth it. I mean WTF can you get out of watching a training session from that far away, that you wouldn't get out of simply analysing oppos recent games. Caft Dunts
 
sponge said:
It’s all guesswork really but at an absolute minimum their starting line up.
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Again I think some don’t grasp it it’s still breaking the rules. They’ve been caught red handed, and should face consequences. Doesn’t matter what they gleaned from it. Don’t care if boro come up but I think it’s clearly they’ve done it to others this season too the crazy uptick in form has a huge * against it now. Cheaters should be punished.
 
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