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Michael Carrick

red mackem said:
People off their tits saying this is a decent appointment. Guy failed at Boro in the championship.

4th, 8th and sacked at 10th.

Semi-final defeat in the playoffs to Coventry as good as it’s been.

Even the likes of Mowbray, Wilder, Martin and about a million others have done more and proven themselves to better than him
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I'd like to see how they back up that opinion with facts.
 

Crazy that United are appointing an interim manager mid season again, and it's hardly like when Chelsea were doing the same with Hiddink and Benitez, they are appointing Championship managers to do it, firstly Solskjaer and now Carrick.

There is some logic in waiting until the summer but it's practically another season being wrote off and crossing fingers hoping they finish in a decent position. New manager in now would at least assess what is needed and who/what isn't before the summer arrives.

They'll probably go for Glasner, but they should move heaven and earth for Tuchel.
 
If they going to appoint anyone for the rest of the season Roy Keane would be my choice, he would give the players a kick up the ass and make sure they give their all every game for the badge but Michael Carrick are they crazy? Failed at Boro, full of excuses...the Man Utd fans will soon get tired of his excuses if it goes wrong for them.
 
HeroHurley said:
The thing is, that's bollocks. I can remember before Busby took over, even then, they were one of, if arguably not one of the biggest clubs. 10 years before, it was us falling from grace. From the early 90s until 2011/12/13, they were arguably the biggest club on the planet with the exception of Real Madrid. They won boat loads of trophies, probably the most commercially successful club in the history of sport, signed the best players in the world, had arguably the best manager ever and some of the best coaches and scouts in the world.

How does it take less than a decade to undo ALL of that? Yeah, you're likely to see a drop off once Sir Alex retired l, that would be natural. To see them drop off the cliff as much as they have? Ha'way! It shouldn't be happening. How many people have they made redundant now? Even SAF himself has lost his £2m a year ambassadorial role. It should be a drop in the ocean.

They've lost all sense of what it is to be Man United. I never hated them as many did in their pomp, I could appreciate fantastic footballers and a global business too but I do think some people revel in their decline.

The fact that Michael Carrick, forget his playing career, a man who failed to achieve promotion with Middlesbrough from the Championship, despite spending millions on players and wages with some top class facilities (I've been, trust me, they're arguably the best below the PL) has been deemed good enough to take control for nearly 6 months of the season is utterly ridiculous.

I do hope they get sorted out so they can finish 2nd in the Premier League in 2026/7 (behind the Lads). Would put English football back on some sort of even kilter.
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They have always had massive crowds and a big reputation in England. Their success is mainly domestic, however.
I get what you are saying but would add the following:

- Look at their league position from 1968-1991.
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. No different to now. This isn't without precedent. Liverpool also has a long barren run. It is the way these things work.

- They won many domestic trophies but didn't dominate in Europe like Liverpool did in the late 70s/early 80s, or AC Milan, Barcelona, Real Madrid have done at times. One Cup Winners Cup and two European Cups in 20 years.

- They never signed the "best players in the world". Which of their signings fit that description? Cantona didn't play for France and he never did much in European games apart from kick a few Turkish policemen. Their best players were home grown for the most part.

If you had picked a World XI, only Schmeichel, Rooney, Ronaldo and Keane would have been in the conversation occasionally. They signed Ronaldo but he moved to Real when he was approaching his peak.

Having said all that, it is farcical that Carrick got the job. The same with OGS, Ten Haag, Amorim, etc. Just rolling the dice and hoping to strike lucky without any real plan.
 
Spargel said:
They have always had massive crowds and a big reputation in England. Their success is mainly domestic, however.
I get what you are saying but would add the following:

- Look at their league position from 1968-1991.
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. No different to now. This isn't without precedent. Liverpool also has a long barren run. It is the way these things work.

- They won many domestic trophies but didn't dominate in Europe like Liverpool did in the late 70s/early 80s, or AC Milan, Barcelona, Real Madrid have done at times. One Cup Winners Cup and two European Cups in 20 years.

- They never signed the "best players in the world". Which of their signings fit that description? Cantona didn't play for France and he never did much in European games apart from kick a few Turkish policemen. Their best players were home grown for the most part.

If you had picked a World XI, only Schmeichel, Rooney, Ronaldo and Keane would have been in the conversation occasionally. They signed Ronaldo but he moved to Real when he was approaching his peak.

Having said all that, it is farcical that Carrick got the job. The same with OGS, Ten Haag, Amorim, etc. Just rolling the dice and hoping to strike lucky without any real plan.
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1) So, they're arguably the biggest club in England with the exception of Liverpool. Our success has been only domestic trophies, are we a big club?

2) Fair point, they may not have been the best players in the world at the time of those signing but they've had them playing. Edwards, Law, Charlton, Best, Robson, Keane, Cantona, Schmeichel, Van Nistelrooy, Rooney and Ronaldo could all arguably say they've been world class players at Man Utd.

Ridiculous that they're set on appointing a man who in 3 seasons failed to get Boro promoted from the Championship as manager for half a season in the Premier League.
 
red mackem said:
People off their tits saying this is a decent appointment. Guy failed at Boro in the championship.

4th, 8th and sacked at 10th.

Semi-final defeat in the playoffs to Coventry as good as it’s been.

Even the likes of Mowbray, Wilder, Martin and about a million others have done more and proven themselves to better than him
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Its more that its a decent stopgap
 
HeroHurley said:
1) So, they're arguably the biggest club in England with the exception of Liverpool. Our success has been only domestic trophies, are we a big club?

2) Fair point, they may not have been the best players in the world at the time of those signing but they've had them playing. Edwards, Law, Charlton, Best, Robson, Keane, Cantona, Schmeichel, Van Nistelrooy, Rooney and Ronaldo could all arguably say they've been world class players at Man Utd.

Ridiculous that they're set on appointing a man who in 3 seasons failed to get Boro promoted from the Championship as manager for half a season in the Premier League.
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No, we are not a "big" club in European/global terms. I live in Germany and few German fans had heard of us until very recently. Most of them would not know where Sunderland is on a map.

Am not old enough to remember the first four but they were great players going by their careers. Robson and Cantona were influential but wouldn't say world class. Guess it depends how you define the term?!

Anyway....

I do agree that Carrick was useless at Boro. Lots of meaningless passing around the back and very slow tempo. Was also graceless and made excuses whenever they lost.
 
red mackem said:
People off their tits saying this is a decent appointment. Guy failed at Boro in the championship.

4th, 8th and sacked at 10th.

Semi-final defeat in the playoffs to Coventry as good as it’s been.

Even the likes of Mowbray, Wilder, Martin and about a million others have done more and proven themselves to better than him
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But have you considered that he has the 'United DNA'??
 
The Breen Machine said:
Crazy that United are appointing an interim manager mid season again, and it's hardly like when Chelsea were doing the same with Hiddink and Benitez, they are appointing Championship managers to do it, firstly Solskjaer and now Carrick.

There is some logic in waiting until the summer but it's practically another season being wrote off and crossing fingers hoping they finish in a decent position. New manager in now would at least assess what is needed and who/what isn't before the summer arrives.

They'll probably go for Glasner, but they should move heaven and earth for Tuchel.
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If they go for Glasner in the summer they want shot with shit. The only logical reason to wait until Summer is if the person they want isn’t available until then, likely because of WC commitments like Tuchel, Nagelsmann or Ancelotti.

Glasner, Iraola, Silva etc all have only 6 months left on their contracts and could quite easily be bought out now. Wasting 6 months to get one of those in the summer would be criminal.
 
Set to become Manchester United manager until the end of the season, shows how far Manchester United have fallen, this fella failed to get Middlesbrough in to the play offs,

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Just seen the other thread

Can a mod please merge 🤦‍♂️
 
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