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Omar Alderete 🇵🇾 Signed!

DannyFTM said:
Getafe fans on Twitter don't seem arsed about him leaving, a few saying he never seemed committed, odd after they conceded the same as Barca and just 1 more then Real Madrid last season... I think Kone was a good example of how a defense performs when a main part isn't committed.


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In my experience twitter football fans are the least reasonable and knowledgeable. Followed by Facebook. Club forums are a mixed bag, with some intelligent posters with expert opinion and critique, like me, and some absolutely simpletons.
 

RGZ said:
He's an alternative to Lucumi i'd say going off of KS's comments about us trying to find a left sided CB, don't think we sign two
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When we signed Joe Anderson Speakman did an interview talking about rare left footed cbs are and if one becomes available you grab them. Then he signed hjelde. I think he just loves left footed cbs so you never know
Nedved said:
Our media team are amazing now compared to even a few years ago, but we've got to tone down this habit of trying to get every new signing to say how amazing Sunderland is and what a dream it is to sign for us.

We all think it, and in time they will too, but do we really expect him to start saying how he followed us closely and it's been his dream to play for us since he was a young boy in Montevideo?! It comes across a bit daft, like that Xhaka video.
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Especially since he's from Ascuncion
 
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Wakoro said:
In my experience twitter football fans are the least reasonable and knowledgeable. Followed by Facebook. Club forums are a mixed bag, with some intelligent posters with expert opinion and critique, like me, and some absolutely simpletons.
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Socialmeda thees dayse are a shithouse
 
King for a Day... said:
I don't really think so, at least not with the main defensive stats. To a small degree, if looking at limited data, then it might work like that, but when you have a more complete range of stats to look at then they paint a clearer picture. eg if we look at aerials won, simply having a high number of aerials won could mean that your team is playing tight, forcing more crosses into the box, and therefore you might see a higher number. But that doesn't mean you are a great defender, because you could win a lot of headers and still only win 30% of them. So you have to look at both the number of headers won and the percentage of headers won.
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That type of thing just emphasises my point though. In an Allardyce side you would generally have a big lump who is good in the air, maybe two of them. Then you would be tight and compact around them - with protection (often a central defender in front playing as an anchor) to limit anyone dragging them out into the pockets or running straight at them.

Essentially you are trying to limit anyone getting exposed in one on one situations or their weak areas. Defensive stats I see available online simply aren't comprehensive enough to account for different scenarios. Hence you could easily stand out in two or three areas.

I don't necessarily think that's the case for this guy - but his tackles for instance were below average (as was something else defensively iirc) where clearances were high and heading was high.

Passing stats were good and so were carries out for a central defender so he doesn't particularly look a limited defender. But if you actually look as his play in context most of the clearances are last ditch going to ground.


King for a Day... said:
And then if you also look at clearances and interceptions, well if they are also high it tells you that no matter how tight the team is supposed to be playing in front of you, a hell of a lot of balls are making it through, and the defender is doing a pretty darn good job dealing with it. So a defender who is well protected, with a team playing tight in front might actually look less impressive, if they are less exposed.
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If you're playing backs to the wall stuff deep then your are inviting pressure to a degree and balls are going to get through often enough. You're set up organised in numbers to cut them off when they do, to intercept and clear them though - hence there are going to be a lot of clearances.

In the highlights of him and the data I've not seen much where he's in a straight chase or one on one running towards his own goal. Stats are great for an insight but they are absolutely meaningless without proper context.

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Alderete's passing stats are really interesting actually, and it's fun to try to understand the way he plays just from analysing the data. Where team style can come into play a lot though imo is with these types of stats, because it seems Getafe were definitely not trying to play out from the back. His stats show a huge number of long passes attempted in comparison to short. Probably the biggest discrepancy I can remember seeing from any of the targets we have been linked with this summer. But that doesn't mean he can't play a different way, just that this is how they were set up.
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Funny you interpret them that way as from watching several highlights Getafe appeared to actually allow him to play out quite frequently. Yes he attempts frequent long diagonal balls to the flanks but quite often it's after he's won the ball or completed a dribble - he looks quite handy with the ball at his feet.

As I said about - without context and seeing these players, the stats are nigh on useless.
 
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parsonjohn1985 said:
When we signed Joe Anderson Speakman did an interview talking about rare left footed cbs are and if one becomes available you grab them. Then he signed hjelde. I think he just loves left footed cbs so you never know
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Mowbray also said, "A left-footed, left-sided central defender, which is a rarity, he can distribute the ball well from the back and connect defence with midfield – he is going to be a real long-term asset for the Club.”

I love the idea that Speakman has a thing for LCBs
 
Perryqhill said:
Funny you interpret them that way as from watching several highlights Getafe appeared to actually allow him to play out quite frequently. Yes he attempts frequent long diagonal balls to the flanks but quite often it's after he's won the ball or completely a dribble - he looks quite handy with the ball at his feet.

As I said about - without context and seeing these players, the stats are nigh on useless.
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nah, thats all in the data too, but not what I was focused on. I was talking about his passing only. And as I said, doesn't mean he can't pass the ball, just that he obviously was not playing in a team where they pass back and forth between CBs trying to play out from the back. That doesn't mean he can't beat a man, and his progressive carries and successful take ons are very good. He is clearly good with the ball at his feet, and the data shows that. But for sure he was being asked to play long and progressive passes way more often than not.

But I absolutely agree that context matters, and looking at purely data is a fools game, but so is looking at purely highlights.

Take a look at the full dataset available on fbref though, a lot of people might only see what they put on the first page, when you look at the complete scouting report you get so much more interesting data, especially for Possession, like Tackled During Take-on Percentage, Miscontrols, Dispossessed etc.

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And when you look at the full range of Passing stats you'll see what I mean regarding how few passes he makes, and the types of passes. It's very interesting
 
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