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You said your self employed brother in law claimed furlough but didn't get the full amount because he didn't pay his NI. As I pointed out the self employed couldn't claim furlough so one of you is lying. You also claimed the self employed didn't pay NI, also impossible.
It isn't illegal to work cash in hand or have you contacted their accountants and found out they haven't paid the tax?
So you have no problem paying cash to hopefully get the job done cheaper but you call out people working for cash! Bit of a hypocrite aren't you?
Again you are talking utter bollocks as per, I have not said that at all. Also I wasn’t judging I was asking and then you waded in all defensive. Read back engage your brain and feel free to answer the question actually asked not what you want to share.
 
When I was self employed I took a salary of about £8k per year and the rest of my income as dividends. Paid zero NI for the duration of my SE years. No income tax and only corporation tax at 19% on the divi's. Also stashed loads in my SIPP.
Exactly, you didn't NOT pay NI, none was due. Like I said earlier we all try and pay as little tax as possible, it's only natural.
 
I'm in the transition period of when the minimum age increases from 55 to 57 on 6 April 2028

As I understand it, I will be 55 in 2027 so I could access my occupational pensions then BUT if I don't do it before 6 April 28 then I will have to wait until I am 57 in 2029.

Doesn't really make a difference to me as I am very unlikely to want to access the pensions before 2029 but it might be a consideration for other people my age.
You need to check with your pension provider as a lot are stipulating 2027
 
I'm not being defensive, just pointing out the many things about the self employed you have got completely wrong. Everything from furlough to NI contributions, it seems you have no idea how self employment/assessment works.
The self employed overall contribute more to the tax system than those on paye yet you think they don't pay their way. At first I put your ill informed posts down to ignorance but now I think it's just bigotry.
How on earth have you come to that conclusion? Paye pays way more tax then other systems self employed people use
Self employed can’t pay dividends or corporation tax. You must have been a director of a company
Most self employed people operate as a ltd company, take £758 in salary each month to avoid paying tax or NI, then take dividends for the rest. Significantly cheaper than being officially self employed and paying tax without a limited company. In fact, you'd need to be very stupid not to have a ltd company.
 
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When I was self employed I took a salary of about £8k per year and the rest of my income as dividends. Paid zero NI for the duration of my SE years. No income tax and only corporation tax at 19% on the divi's. Also stashed loads in my SIPP.
I did similar when I was the director of my own Ltd company for around 10yrs.
Made my SIPP contributions directly from the Ltd company account so avoided corp tax on those.
Other benefits of taking minimum wage were that I came under the earnings cap for child benefit so we still got that.

When I went back to being a headcount employee I put my Ltd company into voluntary liquidation, and could take out all the remaining company money for only 10% corp tax (it actually worked out less than 10% as could also offset with CGT/dividend allowances).
iirc, to stop people doing this just to get the 10% tax advantage, you can’t set up another Ltd company for several years afterwards.

The 10yrs of having my own Ltd Co. (and doing salary sacrifice when I was headcount) certainly allowed me to retire a few years earlier than otherwise.
 
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How on earth have you come to that conclusion? Paye pays way more tax then other systems self employed people use.

And quite right, I haven't got a clue why I said that apart from it being 12:11am and I was well pissed at the time.
I also need to apologise to @BallardsBonce because I got him confused with someone else I was debating furlough/NI contributions with.

More nonsense will be spouted on Friday night because I'm out on the beer from 5pm. 😁
 
And quite right, I haven't got a clue why I said that apart from it being 12:11am and I was well pissed at the time.
I also need to apologise to @BallardsBonce because I got him confused with someone else I was debating furlough/NI contributions with.

More nonsense will be spouted on Friday night because I'm out on the beer from 5pm. 😁
Love the response- respect mate!
 
I was thinking about this this morning.

I wonder what pension companies would do in this situation? I can claim my private pension (with reductions) when I reach 10 years of my state pension age. So I can claim from 57 but I only get around 64% of it per year (DB) if I do. If when I hit 58 the pension age switches to 70, I can no longer claim my private pension, so the company would have to decide to either keep it going for me for longer or cut me off and give me it back in 2 years time. But I would still have the lump sum.
Not sure how they can take it off you if you are already drawing it
Indeed I was, never sure of the differences. Hence I had an accountant to sort stuff for me.
My wife is having to buy additional years NI so she will get her full pension. Have you got enough years in the NI?
 
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going to see if i can book in with an IFA to understand if I am doing the right things with pension, mortgage etc or if I need to change, to make sure i am retired as fuck when I want to be
Definitely worth doing mate. We did it years ago so had a proper plan to where we should be putting our cash over the years.

It's allowing us to retire earlier than we thought which is all good
 
Not sure how they can take it off you if you are already drawing it

My wife is having to buy additional years NI so she will get her full pension. Have you got enough years in the NI?
That is what could be interesting, or if they change the penalties. On paper, unless there is a clause, then could say I’m less than 10 years off retirement so no longer qualify, of ifI were say 61, they could apply a 9 year penalty rather than the 6 year penalty, which is a difference of 9-10%.

I guess it depends on the company and if they think they are legally covered.

This is all hypothetical anyway. This is only if a future government increases the retirement age and only if they do it within a certain window of my life and only if people 10 years off retirement are not protected from the changes.
 
Definitely worth doing mate. We did it years ago so had a proper plan to where we should be putting our cash over the years.

It's allowing us to retire earlier than we thought which is all good
Exactly the plan i am hoping to get from seeing in IFA (now booked in next Tuesday with one)

I have always just put in the amount my company will max match and then not thought about it anymore. Recently pushed that up further and now looking to make whatever changes I can to not have to work to 65.

Retiring as close to 55 as possible is the dream.
 
Exactly the plan i am hoping to get from seeing in IFA (now booked in next Tuesday with one)

I have always just put in the amount my company will max match and then not thought about it anymore. Recently pushed that up further and now looking to make whatever changes I can to not have to work to 65.

Retiring as close to 55 as possible is the dream.
Did exactly the same mate in maxing the last few years into the pension/ISA's etc - meaning I'll be leaving towards the end of this year as i hit 57 👍

Good luck
 
How do you find a good ifa.
I signed up with the government pension wise thing and they put me in touch with someone at teeside.
I was going to be charged 3k for him to put some figures in a software package for him to tell me whether I can retire at 60 or not (all my pensions are final/salary or dB so not reallyy that complicated.
It was then extra for him to begin giving me investment advice for an additional which is probably the but I want at that minute.
 
Did exactly the same mate in maxing the last few years into the pension/ISA's etc - meaning I'll be leaving towards the end of this year as i hit 57 👍

Good luck
Probably a silly question but did upping your pension contributions in the final few years make a really big difference as to what age you got to retire?

My dad hated work and couldn't wait to retire. Finally retired and then had a stroke 6 months later and was never able to fully look after himself. Fuck that. I am never having that situation happen to me. Its all about making sure I am working towards something now so I can get out of work as early as possible.
 
Probably a silly question but did upping your pension contributions in the final few years make a really big difference as to what age you got to retire?

My dad hated work and couldn't wait to retire. Finally retired and then had a stroke 6 months later and was never able to fully look after himself. Fuck that. I am never having that situation happen to me. Its all about making sure I am working towards something now so I can get out of work as early as possible.

I’ve just been reading a study about the impact stress has on you in your 50s, I’m not sure I want to be ploughing through high pressure IT deliveries as I knock on, it’s hard enough now in my late 30s, mortgage should be done by 55, I’m hoping to pack in by 58 at the latest, but we’ll see.
 
Statistically you need to be budgeting for the expectation that you’ll be around well into your mid-to-late 80s. 🤞🏻😉
How much does an 80 year old spend in a month ? Usually mortgage free ,picking up your free bits and pieces . Yeah you get the odd globetrotter but lots are happy with a little routine
Just about to take all my pension as draw down so we can enjoy next 4 years until I get state pension and my wife’s NHS pension and then state pension kicks in. I’ve had enough ,working from 16 to 62 is long enough , going to far too many funerals for people younger than me, but everyone different
That's kind of me . Never day never but I have the lump in draw down and a few post of savings and sipps bubbling away . Few more things will drop around 65 and 67 and just be canny as a go . Beats working. State of mind ,mental health and overall outlook is hard to price .
 
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