And let's not forget that our Director of cricket brought Rhodes in to replace him.
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Durham v Sussex (h) C.C.
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GordonMuchallNo1Fan
Striker
Yup. He's done very well has Clarky. Written off so many times he's just given it his all for Durham especially since Franklin left, who treated him like absolute shite to be honest and he was very close to leaving the club. I just hope the club offer him a new contract. We need people like Graham Clark at the club, same with Ben Raine.
Raymondo
Central Defender
Meh, it was his fault we didn’t get a first innings lead and therefore why we didn’t win the game.
*joking.
bedlington mackem
Striker
Indeed and its great to see him take the game to the opposition regardless of the format.
His wicket was the game changer really as he got out to a very poor shot at a crucial time in the game. He is certainly doing his best to fill the void created by the absence of Bedingham
GordonMuchallNo1Fan
Striker
Our top scorer this season in the county championship and he missed a game as well, not many would have had money on that at this stage of the season.
mackemmover94
Central Defender
Interesting the amount of people on here that feel a sports fixture owes the audience entertainment and that should come before the teams goals/holistic view of the season.
GordonMuchallNo1Fan
Striker
End of the day it was up to Sussex how they approached yesterday, nobody else. All I have said as a paying member of the public at the game yesterday is that I was embarrassed watching it as were the overwhelming majority of the crowd and media including fans of Sussex who I have mentioned. That yesterday will turn people away from the game which is already hanging in the balance, it was a rotten watch yesterday, arguably the worst day of red ball cricket I've watched and I've watched a lot. However Sussex are entitled to take that approach if they so wish, but that sort of approach will not win them titles and the big winners yesterday were Surrey who I am sure everyone on the county circuit come September will moan about when they win another title or are challenging.
I am comfortable in the belief that Durham wouldn't have done that yesterday and as I have said on here (I think it was the Warwickshire game this season), I'd sooner lose a game having a go than bore people to death like Franklin used to do.
Teams are entitled to do as they please though. I pay my money, I have no idea what to expect on the day but yesterday really took the piss and it was wholly needless especially with 50 overs or so to go it was impossible for them to lose the game.... roll the dice and try and worry Durham.
Yesterday was not a case of "Sussex batting to save the game" they were the ones with a healthy lead, especially with 40-50 overs to go. I can fully understand at times that teams need to "bat to save the game" like Kent yesterday at Lancashire but that was not the case yesterday with Sussex.
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mackemmover94
Central Defender
I can guarantee you nobody is turning away from red ball cricket because of what happened on day 4 of a Championship game between Durham and Sussex. Anyone who has any idea of what went on in the game yesterday is already in too deep with their love of the game to turn their back on it.
Sussex could well have been worried about what Durham may be capable of chasing and lack of confidence in their tail batting long (see first innings…) and so shut up shop - which Ibrahim and Simpson did extremely well. They probably back themselves to get a positive result more at home v Warwickshire in next game and then against Esssex (Home) and Yorkshire (Scarborough) after that.
Against Durham or not, wouldn’t have been that long ago people on here could appreciate that defensive red ball effort and laud it more than any overly-aggressive 5 an over all out attack as ‘purists’ of the game…
The kookaburra ball not offering much to the bowlers and making it much easier to shut up shop against is a very different debate however to what Sussex should/should not have done to please a crowd.
Sussex could well have been worried about what Durham may be capable of chasing and lack of confidence in their tail batting long (see first innings…) and so shut up shop - which Ibrahim and Simpson did extremely well. They probably back themselves to get a positive result more at home v Warwickshire in next game and then against Esssex (Home) and Yorkshire (Scarborough) after that.
Against Durham or not, wouldn’t have been that long ago people on here could appreciate that defensive red ball effort and laud it more than any overly-aggressive 5 an over all out attack as ‘purists’ of the game…
The kookaburra ball not offering much to the bowlers and making it much easier to shut up shop against is a very different debate however to what Sussex should/should not have done to please a crowd.
GordonMuchallNo1Fan
Striker
Nobody said they were turning away because of events at Durham yesterday.........however people are turning away because of what happened at the majority of games yesterday which continues to happen time and time again with this stupid ball experiment. Coaches are questioning it, media are questioning it and loyal members are questioning it, some at Durham yesterday who were leaving well before lunch yesterday. Plenty turned their back on the game yesterday, those at the game will vouch for that.
Whether it was yesterday or years ago, absolutely nobody would be lauding Sussex for what they did yesterday. They haven't done what Kent did for example yesterday, that deserves praise, but Sussex are getting sod all from me in terms of praise.
If they were worried about Durham chasing down 270-300 in 40-50 overs with a bowling attack of Robinson, Archer, Sandhu and Hudson-Prentice then as a bowler I'd be looking to move elsewhere.
I'm just grateful Durham don't have that mindset anymore from the Franklin era.
Majority of us regulars on here would massively appreciate a Kent red ball defensive effort but that yesterday was not a red ball defensive effort trying to save a game.
mackemmover94
Central Defender
And all of those people will be back next week no matter what happened in respective fixtures as they’re all ready ‘in’ on cricket and have a regular invested interest.
Sussex will have their reasons for yesterday - what a few mouthy fans on a forum think won’t touch the sides for them.
As both have said - and what is a completely separate debate to how they approached the game yesterday - the kookaburra ball experiment in terms of a balanced contest after about 15 overs (maybe less) should be what powers that be are looking at.
Sussex will have their reasons for yesterday - what a few mouthy fans on a forum think won’t touch the sides for them.
As both have said - and what is a completely separate debate to how they approached the game yesterday - the kookaburra ball experiment in terms of a balanced contest after about 15 overs (maybe less) should be what powers that be are looking at.
The Breen Machine
Striker
Die hard county fans will never turn their back on it, but given that the ECB are intent on destroying county cricket, the game needs to reduce the number of games like this to attract new fans to it and retain the "passing" fans as I call them. No one is going to be invested in this type of cricket if they are new to first-class cricket.
GordonMuchallNo1Fan
Striker
Well of course we have paid for memberships for the full season so we will make the most of that which is why we buy a membership for. Next season they'll see a reduction no doubt about it if the number of games is reduced.
It was more than a "few mouthy fans on a forum" as I have explained but you seem to want to ignore that, never mind.
Dan..Dan..Dan..Dan
Striker
On it's own, the attitude of Sussex yesterday probably won't tip many 'over the edge'. I said during the game that Sussex could have set us 300 from 40 overs and that equation just about happened. There's no way we would have chased it but there was a possibility Sussex could have won. Slender but a chance nonetheless. However maybe Archer wasn't 'allowed' to bowl any more. I have no idea. I overheard a conversation between a Durham player and a member of staff before lunch that suggested a draw had already been 'agreed'. Don't know what to make of that.
However with all the other factors, we could all name half a dozen each, maybe that would be enough for some. In BBC interviews yesterday, which may have included Farbrace and Campbell and references to Stokes, the actual point of CC cricket was questioned. The example used was Shoaib Bashir, and I would argue the likes of Josh Hull too, and how they have been picked for England based on potential rather that actual performance/form displayed at county level. The barely disguised contempt directed towards the majority of Counties is a massive worry. The fifty over format is also just seen as an inconvenience and/or a chance to play young/fringe players.
This is my first season as a member. I've enjoyed it to date. Will I renew? Almost certainly yes.
However with all the other factors, we could all name half a dozen each, maybe that would be enough for some. In BBC interviews yesterday, which may have included Farbrace and Campbell and references to Stokes, the actual point of CC cricket was questioned. The example used was Shoaib Bashir, and I would argue the likes of Josh Hull too, and how they have been picked for England based on potential rather that actual performance/form displayed at county level. The barely disguised contempt directed towards the majority of Counties is a massive worry. The fifty over format is also just seen as an inconvenience and/or a chance to play young/fringe players.
This is my first season as a member. I've enjoyed it to date. Will I renew? Almost certainly yes.
Durham-Mackem41
Midfield
It’s a filthy ball does not offer a thing of than reverse after about 15 overs but you need heat and an abrasive surface which is not likely often in England.
Dan..Dan..Dan..Dan
Striker
The sample size is relatively small, but an interesting article though. Regardless of sample size, Rob Key is delusional.
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The Breen Machine
Striker
Good post. Picking the likes of Bashir and Hull with limited county experience certainly does dilute the argument that County Cricket is a pathway to the test match team, but I guess you could also argue that Hull certainly didn't look ready and Bashir has ongoing question marks over him.
The 50 over thing seems another fait accompli to me also, the scheduling is ludicrously poor. Almost every game is midweek in the middle of the 16.4 window, there's simply no need to schedule it so badly but they do, I wonder why?
Interesting how you've formed that viewpoint. The holistic view is formed by the sum of the parts so each game is an integral part of the whole season;logically then each game contributes to the overall season, each game a team should aim to achieve the maximum points reasonably possible. The criticism of Sussex was that they made no attempt to maximise that opportunity.
Yes,teams do have an obligation to entertain; spectators are paying a fee with the expectation of enjoying the performance. Sussex chose not to do that without satisfactory reason.
You appear to know little about the purpose of professional sport; it 's part of the entertainment industry
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Bri
Striker
I think everyone likes a defensive battle to achieve a battling draw. However, this wasn't a battling draw, it was just a match that drifted away into nothingness.
consettsafc
Striker
Remember the kookaburra ball is so poor they have to use one at each end during a 50 over match
