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Jordan Henderson (signed for Brentford)


Bacchus said:
Why hope for further changes if it's already OK for hendo to work there after being a lgbt gay ambassador?
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Why wouldn’t you want further change. Saudi is not as horrendous as nations like Iran, Syria, Iraq, Palestine, Afghanistan etc but it still has a long way to go on human rights. For me it is ok for anyone to work for a private football club anywhere n the world
Disco_Pants93 said:
No I have read it and it's an incredibly stupid take.
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Sorry you can’t understand these complexities
 
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Birtley Lad said:
Why wouldn’t you want further change. Saudi is not as horrendous as nations like Iran, Syria, Iraq, Palestine, Afghanistan etc but it still has a long way to go on human rights. For me it is ok for anyone to work for a private football club anywhere n the world
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Saudi isn't as bad as Syria? Must be alright then in that case.
 
Birtley Lad said:
Why wouldn’t you want further change. Saudi is not as horrendous as nations like Iran, Syria, Iraq, Palestine, Afghanistan etc but it still has a long way to go on human rights. For me it is ok for anyone to work for a private football club anywhere n the world

Sorry you can’t understand these complexities
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Sounds to me like what they're trying to achieve over there is working wonders on people like you.
 
Birtley Lad said:
Saudi Arabia is changing. It is probably the most progressive of the middle eastern Islamic regimes. Women can now drive and the permitted age for girls to marry is now 16. It is still illegal to be LGBTI in Saudi but it is not now considered a criminal offence. It doesn’t sound progressive but it is light years ahead of the hardline Islamic regimes like Iran, Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, Yemen , etc

Let’s all hope for further change in Saudi!

Hendo is perfectly at liberty to go there and play for a private club, and any influence Hendo would have in his local community would be positive - he is a top guy!
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Mag like talk.

The Saudi's only sports wash for one reason, to try to dilute their horrendous human rights record. They are murdering hundreds every year without fair trial. That's a fact.
 
Birtley Lad said:
Saudi Arabia is changing. It is probably the most progressive of the middle eastern Islamic regimes. Women can now drive and the permitted age for girls to marry is now 16. It is still illegal to be LGBTI in Saudi but it is not now considered a criminal offence. It doesn’t sound progressive but it is light years ahead of the hardline Islamic regimes like Iran, Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, Yemen , etc
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That's called sportswashing, they had to change things or they'd never have secured a world cup hosting.
 
Jambezz said:
Saudi isn't as bad as Syria? Must be alright then in that case.
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It’s a comparative term- I think if you read what I’ve said you will see I’m no fan of Saudi Arabia. The government oversee a murderous Islamic regime -/the point I made is that there are far worse Islamic regimes in the Middle East.If you don’t think we shouldn’t sign Hendo as he played for a private club in a Saudi, should we have bought Isador from a private Russian. There was no debate on that issue despite Russia invading a democratic nation. Does it mean we should never buy a player from a club in an Islamic nation where LGTBI rights don’t exist or China?

If you’re not clear on the rationale you will become unclear in your thinking?
 
Birtley Lad said:
It’s a comparative term- I think if you read what I’ve said you will see I’m no fan of Saudi Arabia. The government oversee a murderous Islamic regime -/the point I made is that there are far worse Islamic regimes in the Middle East.If you don’t think we shouldn’t sign Hendo as he played for a private club in a Saudi, should we have bought Isador from a private Russian. There was no debate on that issue despite Russia invading a democratic nation. Does it mean we should never buy a player from a club in an Islamic nation where LGTBI rights don’t exist or China?

If you’re not clear on the rationale you will become unclear in your thinking?
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I don't care about Henderson playing there and I'm indifferent as to whether or not we sign him.

You're just making yourself look silly defending SA basically and everyone is laughing at you.
 
Birtley Lad said:
Saudi Arabia is changing. It is probably the most progressive of the middle eastern Islamic regimes. Women can now drive and the permitted age for girls to marry is now 16. It is still illegal to be LGBTI in Saudi but it is not now considered a criminal offence. It doesn’t sound progressive but it is light years ahead of the hardline Islamic regimes like Iran, Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, Yemen , etc

Let’s all hope for further change in Saudi!

Hendo is perfectly at liberty to go there and play for a private club, and any influence Hendo would have in his local community would be positive - he is a top guy!
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Sound like a great set of lads
 
Keith S30S said:
Mag like talk.

The Saudi's only sports wash for one reason, to try to dilute their horrendous human rights record. They are murdering hundreds every year without fair trial. That's a fact.
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I was extremely critical of the Saudi takeover of the mags. But we are talking about a murderous government not a private club in the case of Hendo. Do you think is was ok to buy Isador from a private club in Russia?
Jambezz said:
I don't care about Henderson playing there and I'm indifferent as to whether or not we sign him.

You're just making yourself look silly defending SA basically and everyone is laughing at you.
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Apologies - you are struggling to understand these issues
 
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Birtley Lad said:
I was extremely critical of the Saudi takeover of the mags. But we are talking about a murderous government not a private club in the case of Hendo. Do you think is was ok to buy Isador from a private club in Russia?

Apologies - you are struggling to understand these issues
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:oops:
 
Birtley Lad said:
I was extremely critical of the Saudi takeover of the mags. But we are talking about a murderous government not a private club in the case of Hendo. Do you think is was ok to buy Isador from a private club in Russia?
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I disagree with any vastly rich footballer going to play in Saudi. They don't need the money, the standard is shit and the Saudi population have no great interest in football.

I would have no issue with us signing Henderson because he quickly moved on. Wilson wasn't a vastly rich footballer when he moved to Russia.

But to defend Saudi is madness. The are a backward, barbaric nation stuck a hundred years or more in the past.
 
Keith S30S said:
I disagree with any vastly rich footballer going to play in Saudi. They don't need the money, the standard is shit and the Saudi population have no great interest in football.

I would have no issue with us signing Henderson because he quickly moved on. Wilson wasn't a vastly rich footballer when he moved to Russia.

But to defend Saudi is madness. The are a backward, barbaric nation stuck a hundred years or more in the past.
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I never defend Saudi - they are a brutal Islamic nation.The LGBTI community will get no rights in any Islamic nation! I could not be clearer! We are starting to see some minor changes in Saudi in recent years but I don’t expect to see any positive changes in countries led by Hamas, Hezbollah, ISIS, Jihadi State or the Taliban.

How rich a player is, is totally irrelevant! Regardless of wealth they have the individual right to play wherever they like - that is none of your business - or mine!
 
Birtley Lad said:
I never defend Saudi - they are a brutal Islamic nation.The LGBTI community will get no rights in any Islamic nation! I could not be clearer! We are starting to see some minor changes in Saudi in recent years but I don’t expect to see any positive changes in countries led by Hamas, Hezbollah, ISIS, Jihadi State or the Taliban.

How rich a player is, is totally irrelevant! Regardless of wealth they have the individual right to play wherever they like - that is none of your business - or mine!
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I can have an opinion.
Footballers want fame, fortune, adulation and achievements such as major trophies. They only get fortune in Saudi. When they are already vastly rich that is just greed.

IMO a rich player gets zero from playing in Saudi other than more much money they can't spend in a lifetime.
 
Keith S30S said:
I can have an opinion.
Footballers want fame, fortune, adulation and achievements such as major trophies. They only get fortune in Saudi. When they are already vastly rich that is just greed.

IMO a rich player gets zero from playing in Saudi other than more much they can't spend in a lifetime.
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You can have an opinion - of course - but you can’t condemn Hendo for making a decision to play anywhere. He had worked his guts out at Liverpool, was successful, honoured his contract and went with their blessings. It might not get your approval, but he’s done nothing wrong! That’s my point.
 
Birtley Lad said:
It’s a comparative term- I think if you read what I’ve said you will see I’m no fan of Saudi Arabia. The government oversee a murderous Islamic regime -/the point I made is that there are far worse Islamic regimes in the Middle East.If you don’t think we shouldn’t sign Hendo as he played for a private club in a Saudi, should we have bought Isador from a private Russian. There was no debate on that issue despite Russia invading a democratic nation. Does it mean we should never buy a player from a club in an Islamic nation where LGTBI rights don’t exist or China?

If you’re not clear on the rationale you will become unclear in your thinking?
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We paid UEFA for Isidor. They hold onto the money until a time they see fit to release it to Russian clubs.
 
Keith S30S said:
I can have an opinion.
Footballers want fame, fortune, adulation and achievements such as major trophies. They only get fortune in Saudi. When they are already vastly rich that is just greed.

IMO a rich player gets zero from playing in Saudi other than more much they can't spend in a lifetime.
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All triggered by their Wags wanting to buy an £8m house to trump her mates and to set up a scented candle business.
 
Birtley Lad said:
Saudi Arabia is changing. It is probably the most progressive of the middle eastern Islamic regimes. Women can now drive and the permitted age for girls to marry is now 16. It is still illegal to be LGBTI in Saudi but it is not now considered a criminal offence. It doesn’t sound progressive but it is light years ahead of the hardline Islamic regimes like Iran, Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, Yemen , etc

Let’s all hope for further change in Saudi!

Hendo is perfectly at liberty to go there and play for a private club, and any influence Hendo would have in his local community would be positive - he is a top guy!
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My giddy aunt
 
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