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Promotion or Selling Players

Gloucester said:
Just noticed the three clubs promoted to the Prem last year are at least 15 points adrift of the 4th bottom club. 😳
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11 wins between them in just over 100 games.
Hongkongphooey said:
We will smash that if we do go up
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Shite thing is though we need to jump on the gravy train if we want to progress again. The play off winner should have the trophy engraved with 'we've just dropped our pants, bent over and are ready to take it dry'
 
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The goal of the ownership is to increase the value of their asset.

The season was already a success once Rigg signed his contract. £20M on the balance sheet before we've kicked a ball.

Of course promotion to PL will increase the value massively - but they know that's not the only way to grow the value.
 
nelford_safc said:
£100m minimum just for being in the PL. none of of our players are worth anywhere near that. So what do you think?
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I genuinely don't seem to grasp why people can't get this into their heads.

We could go up, not spend a penny and come straight back down with 0 points and we'd still be light years better off than we are now.

Why some seem to have this fantasy in their heads that the club don't want to get promoted is beyond me. It's totally illogical.
 
joop said:
How is Mars these days?
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Less atmosphere than the SOL😉
The Situation said:
I genuinely don't seem to grasp why people can't get this into their heads.

We could go up, not spend a penny and come straight back down with 0 points and we'd still be light years better off than we are now.

Why some seem to have this fantasy in their heads that the club don't want to get promoted is beyond me. It's totally illogical.
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The money would disappear. Prem players signed would want Prem wages. Then existing players would expect Prem wages.
 
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I think they're firmly in the develop then sell camp with the caveat that if we happen to be already smashing it, they won't hold us back and are prepared to take some reasonable risk.
Looks like you need to be at least as dominant as Leeds were this season or Leicester last, but preferably better to even start dreaming about stopping up. It still hangs on a very successful/lucky summer afterwards, 100M sounds amazing from our perspective, but considering the investment needed, plus the jump in wages for the existing squad not sure if it's that much.

I think the owners were cautiously optimistic in January, and the tranfers reflected that. Our league position at the time could've been interpreted as a bit unlucky not to lead, or, if you paid attention on the warning signs already present as an overachievement. It was hard to tell. I think the 2nd half of the season justified their caution. 3.5M for Isidor, who looked like the next Henry, Le Fee fee subject of promotion, Danns a bit of a wild card I was happy with that and thank God we didn't splash 10M on Cannon, who's never a PL player.

ATM promotion would be a bigger headache for them IMO, since it's clear that with the current "model" in the Championship we're getting stronger year on year without risking our financial stability.
 
If offered a straight nobody in their right mind would choose the latter. But it isn't a straight choice.

I think they've proven many times that the aim is progress sustainably. If they get that right promotion will eventually come, or so the logic would suggest. They will not abandon sustainability to chase promotion.

Case in point - January 2023. The view from the fans was that we needed another striker to push on for promotion, even before Stewart got injured. I think the view from the club, which Speakm more or less said himself, was that the top 2 were completely out of reach and we had enough about us to secure the play offs without. We could have made life more comfortable for ourselves by signing one but (hypothetically) it might have increased our chances by 10% but cost £5m to do so and wasn't worth it. So we gambled.

I think that's the attitude to promotion. We can't compete with the parachute clubs so why bother trying - stick to the model and hope we eventually close the gap. Rightly or wrongly.
 
Happy_Layabout said:
The goal of the ownership is to increase the value of their asset.

The season was already a success once Rigg signed his contract. £20M on the balance sheet before we've kicked a ball.

Of course promotion to PL will increase the value massively - but they know that's not the only way to grow the value.
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No it's really not. The goal of ownership of a football club is to succeed. Win something if the club is big enough. Sporting achievement is the goal. That's not done on a spreadsheet
 
Football Dinosaur said:
No it's really not. The goal of ownership of a football club is to succeed. Win something if the club is big enough. Sporting achievement is the goal. That's not done on a spreadsheet
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Is that the goal of our owners, there are a number of times we have prioritised financial prudence over winning something?
The Situation said:
I genuinely don't seem to grasp why people can't get this into their heads.

We could go up, not spend a penny and come straight back down with 0 points and we'd still be light years better off than we are now.

Why some seem to have this fantasy in their heads that the club don't want to get promoted is beyond me. It's totally illogical.
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Of course, they want to go up, if it happens without any proper investment.
But would they be happy to bob around 4th-10th each year without putting any real money in with the hope of fluking promotion? More than likely. It’s like trying to win the lottery with a free ticket each year.
When have made a permanent signing for money to win now? As opposed to develop for sales in the future.
In the past 10 years, I can only think of one club who were promoted in a self sustainable way and they did with a unique playing style (Luton). I do think promotion is pie in the sky under our current owners.
I think next season will be a watershed moment as I don’t know if people will be happy if we are outspent and overtaken by clubs like Birmingham, Wrexham, Boro, West Brom if we sell players and do not fully reinvest the money / have similar ownership investments.
 
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Boring Old Man said:
It's a loss making game until they get to the prem then the value of the club goes up enough to be a good investment so ultimately they absolutely want promotion and I think the long term strategy to get there is the right one without gambling and overspending wildly one year with the risks that come with that.
I think it would be a tall order to get promoted next year though mo matter how much they pump in as you're having to replace up to 6 of the starting 11 for starters in cirkin, mepham, neil, jobe, rigg and le fee. Personally I think the strategy should move far more towards ready made pros to have a shot at promotion once we sell a few high value youngsters.
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We will struggle to get promoted next season if we don’t buy some ready made pros. Imo the model has to adjust a bit in order to do this
 
Definitely Maybe said:
If offered a straight nobody in their right mind would choose the latter. But it isn't a straight choice.

I think they've proven many times that the aim is progress sustainably. If they get that right promotion will eventually come, or so the logic would suggest. They will not abandon sustainability to chase promotion.

Case in point - January 2023. The view from the fans was that we needed another striker to push on for promotion, even before Stewart got injured. I think the view from the club, which Speakm more or less said himself, was that the top 2 were completely out of reach and we had enough about us to secure the play offs without. We could have made life more comfortable for ourselves by signing one but (hypothetically) it might have increased our chances by 10% but cost £5m to do so and wasn't worth it. So we gambled.

I think that's the attitude to promotion. We can't compete with the parachute clubs so why bother trying - stick to the model and hope we eventually close the gap. Rightly or wrongly.
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Thats an acurate albeit depressing post.

How depressing it was watching their shite poundshop signings trying to score, then having to use a makeshift defence at Luton. Still, saved a few quid i guess.
 
Sell players. End of discussion. I seen to recall we spent time in League One which we owe a great deal of thanks to the fact the club showed ambition. It was spending lots of money on players that we believed were going to propel us to success that meant we were able to play the great and good of that division.

Never again do I want to see us get our hands burned and our hopes dashed by signing supposed great players for great amounts of cash. If that’s what showing ambition does, if trying to be a tiny fraction of what the giants like Arsenal, Liverpool and Manchester City just throws your finances into debt and the team into League One then I hope we never get promoted.

At least selling players keeps us in the red. It keeps us financially secure and comfortable. That’s something that no other supporter can laugh at us for.
 
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Botchie said:
11 wins between them in just over 100 games.

Shite thing is though we need to jump on the gravy train if we want to progress again. The play off winner should have the trophy engraved with 'we've just dropped our pants, bent over and are ready to take it dry'
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😂 v true. Although it doesn’t have to be. I found the text I sent to my mates the other day after the Forest play off final where I said that’s one of the worst teams I’ve ever seen promoted. Granted they then signed about 30 players and it somehow worked. But they were a massive surprise how they stayed up and where they’ve kicked onto.
 
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