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skullmeister said:
AARO have classed this as as resolved without saying what the object was, without interviewing the pilots, without sharing their calculations etc
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The idea that the identification of the objects themselves isn’t classified but the tools used to identify them is is crazy. You can easily suppress sensor data to avoid giving details of what these sensors are if you wanted to.
 

Currently watching this.

I reckon there’s loads of space aliens in the secret underground tunnels beneath Area 51 riding around on trains.

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Thurston said:
Currently watching this.

I reckon there’s loads of space aliens in the secret underground tunnels beneath Area 51 riding around on trains.

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Dig into Paul Bennewitz and the Dulce Base stories if you fancy a late night rabbit hole!
 
skullmeister said:
That's quite offensive but it's what I have came to expect from this thread.


I think you will find that you're wrong.


It's rationale to think that, we've came from a horse and cart to stealth technology and the international space station in less than a 150 years or so. It's conceivable we will have advanced alot further in another few hundred years.

The director of the White House Office of Science and Technology Policy, Michael Kratsios, publicly stated last week that that the US currently has the ability to manipulatentime and space and 'leave distance annihilated'.
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He didn't really he said :-

"It is the choices of individuals that will make the new American Golden Age possible: the choice of individuals to master the sclerosis of the state, and the choice of individuals to craft new technologies and give themselves to scientific discoveries that will bend time and space, make more with less, and drive us further into the endless frontier."

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He also has a BA in Politics and the majority of his speech is the typical America is wonderful, we are the greatest, regulation has killed us crap espoused by the rest of the shower involved with the current US government"
 
Another disciple of Jesus who has "no reason to lie" - the believers will believe and follow to the end without any due diligence

He's an economist who thinks very highly of himself and put himself into places where an economist wouldn't be and says UFO material feels like nothing (surprise, surprise) and JFK died mainly because of UFOs beliefs !

meh
 
taipeisafc said:
He didn't really he said :-

"It is the choices of individuals that will make the new American Golden Age possible: the choice of individuals to master the sclerosis of the state, and the choice of individuals to craft new technologies and give themselves to scientific discoveries that will bend time and space, make more with less, and drive us further into the endless frontier."

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He also has a BA in Politics and the majority of his speech is the typical America is wonderful, we are the greatest, regulation has killed us crap espoused by the rest of the shower involved with the current US government"
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" Our technologies permit us to manipulate time and space. They leave distance annihilated, cause things to grow, and improve productivity "
 
skullmeister said:
" Our technologies permit us to manipulate time and space. They leave distance annihilated, cause things to grow, and improve productivity "
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You think he meant that literally ?

US has lost a trillion from the stock market, USAs popularity has never been so low, I don't think these technologies he must be literally talking about work !
 
High Entropy said:
Another disciple of Jesus who has "no reason to lie" - the believers will believe and follow to the end without any due diligence

He's an economist who thinks very highly of himself and put himself into places where an economist wouldn't be and says UFO material feels like nothing (surprise, surprise) and JFK died mainly because of UFOs beliefs !

meh
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I didn't hear him mention Jesus, God or faith once during his interview, I do have around 45 minutes left to watch of it. I guess you've posted without listening to what the man said.
 
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skullmeister said:
" Our technologies permit us to manipulate time and space. They leave distance annihilated, cause things to grow, and improve productivity "
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Did you look at the link? from the Whitehouse titled :-

"THE GOLDEN AGE OF AMERICAN INNOVATION

AS PREPARED FOR DELIVERY

Endless Frontiers Retreat, Austin, Texas

April 14, 2025"

By a bloke called Director Krastios......the only point in the whole document bending time and space is mentioned is in the contex I quoted i.e. "It is the choices of individuals that will make the new American Golden Age possible: the choice of individuals to master the sclerosis of the state, and the choice of individuals to craft new technologies and give themselves to scientific discoveries that will bend time and space, make more with less, and drive us further into the endless frontier."

At no point at all does it say anything about their technologies being able to manipulate time and space. So either he mispoke, was misquoted, was lying or was simply wrong - according to the remarks prepared for delivery. Perhaps he didn't read the remarks before he made them.
 
taipeisafc said:
Did you look at the link? from the Whitehouse titled :-

"THE GOLDEN AGE OF AMERICAN INNOVATION

AS PREPARED FOR DELIVERY

Endless Frontiers Retreat, Austin, Texas

April 14, 2025"

By a bloke called Director Krastios......the only point in the whole document bending time and space is mentioned is in the contex I quoted i.e. "It is the choices of individuals that will make the new American Golden Age possible: the choice of individuals to master the sclerosis of the state, and the choice of individuals to craft new technologies and give themselves to scientific discoveries that will bend time and space, make more with less, and drive us further into the endless frontier."

At no point at all does it say anything about their technologies being able to manipulate time and space. So either he mispoke, was misquoted, was lying or was simply wrong - according to the remarks prepared for delivery. Perhaps he didn't read the remarks before he made them.
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Very interesting as what's on the Whitehouse link is not word for word what he actually said, watch from 2mins 50secs onwards

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skullmeister said:
I didn't hear him mention Jesus, God or faith once during his interview, I do have around 45 minutes left to watch of it. I guess you've posted without listening to what the man said.
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No, I listened to it all, very slick production on the video, too much Hollywood for my tastes. I see the empty words been given credence by Jesse, almost like Joe Rogan with his "wowwwwww" - The misdirection starts with the title of the video - Presidential Advisor (in the field of economics) handles UFO Material (but it felt like nothing) -

All of his interactions with these US department were on an economic footing, mostly costings, supply & demand, he wasn't a scientist conducting any of these operations/tests and "Dads old files" are all publicly available and don't look old at all, those photos have come straight from Boots !

I would really like to have an unbiased fact check of it, it would take me days and I can't be arsed becuase I guess most of it is simply stories but lets look at what AI says about fact checking these claims.

Cuban Missile Crisis Overview​


  • Discovery of Soviet Missiles in Cuba: Accurate. In October 1962, the U.S. identified Soviet missile installations in Cuba, leading to a significant Cold War confrontation.
  • DEFCON 2 Alert: Correct. The U.S. Strategic Air Command was elevated to DEFCON 2 during the crisis, the highest confirmed state of readiness short of actual war.
  • Pressure on Leaders: True. Both President Kennedy and Premier Khrushchev faced intense pressure from military advisors advocating for aggressive actions.
  • Harald Malmgren's Role: Partially accurate. Malmgren served as an aide to Defense Secretary Robert McNamara during this period. He was involved in facilitating discussions between civilian leadership and military officials. However, specific claims about McNamara instructing Malmgren to "ask questions rather than give opinions" to slow decision-making are not substantiated by available records.
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Harald Malmgren's Role​


  • Age and Position: Correct. Malmgren was in his late twenties during the crisis and held a significant advisory role.
  • Challenging Military Strategies: Unverified. While Malmgren was involved in high-level discussions, specific instances of him challenging military strategies, such as arguing against targeting Moscow, lack direct documentation.
  • Influence and Legacy: Accurate. Malmgren's contributions during this period bolstered his reputation, leading to advisory roles under subsequent U.S. presidents.


UFOs and Government Secrecy​


  • JFK's Knowledge of UFOs: Speculative. There is no concrete evidence confirming President Kennedy's knowledge or involvement with UFO-related matters.
  • Malmgren Handling UFO Material: Claimed by Malmgren. In interviews, he stated that he handled unidentified materials during his tenure, but these claims are anecdotal and lack independent verification.
  • Briefing by Richard Bissell: Unconfirmed. Malmgren mentioned being briefed by CIA official Richard Bissell on topics related to non-human technologies, including a 1933 incident in Italy. However, these accounts are based solely on Malmgren's statements without corroborating evidence.
  • Knights of Malta Involvement: Speculative. Discussions about the Knights of Malta's involvement in UFO-related matters are based on personal speculations and lack substantiated evidence.


The Bluegill Triple Prime Test​


  • Operation Details: Accurate. The Bluegill Triple Prime test was part of Operation Fishbowl, conducted to assess high-altitude nuclear detonations' effects on missile defense systems.
  • UFO Observations: Speculative. Some researchers and enthusiasts have suggested anomalies in test footage, interpreting them as unidentified flying objects. However, these interpretations are not supported by official documentation.
  • Malmgren's Involvement: Partially accurate. Malmgren was involved in defense policy and may have contributed to discussions on missile defense systems. Specific claims about him conducting cost assessments for the missile defense system during the crisis are plausible but not explicitly documented.
  • Electromagnetic Pulse (EMP) Effects on UFOs: Speculative. The idea that EMPs from nuclear detonations could disrupt UFOs' flight paths is a hypothesis without empirical evidence.


Interdimensional and Extraterrestrial Theories​


  • Nature of UFOs: Speculative. Theories suggesting UFOs are interdimensional or ocean-based entities are part of broader speculative discourse and lack empirical support.
  • Influence on Human Technology: Speculative. Claims that recovered UFO technologies have influenced human technological development are unproven and remain within the realm of conjecture.
  • Extraterrestrial Proxy War: Speculative. The notion of an extraterrestrial proxy war influencing global security is a theoretical concept without substantiated evidence.
  • Roswell Incident and Government Secrecy: Partially accurate. The Roswell incident has been a focal point for discussions on government secrecy regarding UFOs. While it has been officially explained as a weather balloon crash, alternative theories persist without definitive proof.


Legacy and Impact​


  • Contributions to Military Strategy: Accurate. Malmgren's advisory roles during critical periods, including the Cuban Missile Crisis, had a lasting impact on U.S. military and foreign policy strategies.
  • Discussions on UFOs: Subjective. Malmgren's insights into UFO phenomena contribute to ongoing discussions and speculations but should be viewed within the context of personal accounts lacking independent verification.
  • Passing and Revelations: Accurate. Harald Malmgren passed away in early 2025. His interviews and statements continue to be referenced in discussions about government secrecy and unidentified aerial phenomena.


Conclusion: The summary combines verified historical facts with speculative claims, particularly concerning UFOs and government secrecy. While Harald Malmgren's role during the Cuban Missile Crisis is well-documented, his statements on UFOs are personal accounts without corroborating evidence. Readers should approach the speculative elements with critical consideration.


None of this will matter to the UFO disciples who simply believe words spoken by the preacher youtuber without the skills to objectively assess the content.

Believers will blindly believe.
 
High Entropy said:
No, I listened to it all, very slick production on the video, too much Hollywood for my tastes. I see the empty words been given credence by Jesse, almost like Joe Rogan with his "wowwwwww" - The misdirection starts with the title of the video - Presidential Advisor (in the field of economics) handles UFO Material (but it felt like nothing) -

All of his interactions with these US department were on an economic footing, mostly costings, supply & demand, he wasn't a scientist conducting any of these operations/tests and "Dads old files" are all publicly available and don't look old at all, those photos have come straight from Boots !

I would really like to have an unbiased fact check of it, it would take me days and I can't be arsed becuase I guess most of it is simply stories but lets look at what AI says about fact checking these claims.

Cuban Missile Crisis Overview​


  • Discovery of Soviet Missiles in Cuba: Accurate. In October 1962, the U.S. identified Soviet missile installations in Cuba, leading to a significant Cold War confrontation.
  • DEFCON 2 Alert: Correct. The U.S. Strategic Air Command was elevated to DEFCON 2 during the crisis, the highest confirmed state of readiness short of actual war.
  • Pressure on Leaders: True. Both President Kennedy and Premier Khrushchev faced intense pressure from military advisors advocating for aggressive actions.
  • Harald Malmgren's Role: Partially accurate. Malmgren served as an aide to Defense Secretary Robert McNamara during this period. He was involved in facilitating discussions between civilian leadership and military officials. However, specific claims about McNamara instructing Malmgren to "ask questions rather than give opinions" to slow decision-making are not substantiated by available records.
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Harald Malmgren's Role​


  • Age and Position: Correct. Malmgren was in his late twenties during the crisis and held a significant advisory role.
  • Challenging Military Strategies: Unverified. While Malmgren was involved in high-level discussions, specific instances of him challenging military strategies, such as arguing against targeting Moscow, lack direct documentation.
  • Influence and Legacy: Accurate. Malmgren's contributions during this period bolstered his reputation, leading to advisory roles under subsequent U.S. presidents.


UFOs and Government Secrecy​


  • JFK's Knowledge of UFOs: Speculative. There is no concrete evidence confirming President Kennedy's knowledge or involvement with UFO-related matters.
  • Malmgren Handling UFO Material: Claimed by Malmgren. In interviews, he stated that he handled unidentified materials during his tenure, but these claims are anecdotal and lack independent verification.
  • Briefing by Richard Bissell: Unconfirmed. Malmgren mentioned being briefed by CIA official Richard Bissell on topics related to non-human technologies, including a 1933 incident in Italy. However, these accounts are based solely on Malmgren's statements without corroborating evidence.
  • Knights of Malta Involvement: Speculative. Discussions about the Knights of Malta's involvement in UFO-related matters are based on personal speculations and lack substantiated evidence.


The Bluegill Triple Prime Test​


  • Operation Details: Accurate. The Bluegill Triple Prime test was part of Operation Fishbowl, conducted to assess high-altitude nuclear detonations' effects on missile defense systems.
  • UFO Observations: Speculative. Some researchers and enthusiasts have suggested anomalies in test footage, interpreting them as unidentified flying objects. However, these interpretations are not supported by official documentation.
  • Malmgren's Involvement: Partially accurate. Malmgren was involved in defense policy and may have contributed to discussions on missile defense systems. Specific claims about him conducting cost assessments for the missile defense system during the crisis are plausible but not explicitly documented.
  • Electromagnetic Pulse (EMP) Effects on UFOs: Speculative. The idea that EMPs from nuclear detonations could disrupt UFOs' flight paths is a hypothesis without empirical evidence.


Interdimensional and Extraterrestrial Theories​


  • Nature of UFOs: Speculative. Theories suggesting UFOs are interdimensional or ocean-based entities are part of broader speculative discourse and lack empirical support.
  • Influence on Human Technology: Speculative. Claims that recovered UFO technologies have influenced human technological development are unproven and remain within the realm of conjecture.
  • Extraterrestrial Proxy War: Speculative. The notion of an extraterrestrial proxy war influencing global security is a theoretical concept without substantiated evidence.
  • Roswell Incident and Government Secrecy: Partially accurate. The Roswell incident has been a focal point for discussions on government secrecy regarding UFOs. While it has been officially explained as a weather balloon crash, alternative theories persist without definitive proof.


Legacy and Impact​


  • Contributions to Military Strategy: Accurate. Malmgren's advisory roles during critical periods, including the Cuban Missile Crisis, had a lasting impact on U.S. military and foreign policy strategies.
  • Discussions on UFOs: Subjective. Malmgren's insights into UFO phenomena contribute to ongoing discussions and speculations but should be viewed within the context of personal accounts lacking independent verification.
  • Passing and Revelations: Accurate. Harald Malmgren passed away in early 2025. His interviews and statements continue to be referenced in discussions about government secrecy and unidentified aerial phenomena.


Conclusion: The summary combines verified historical facts with speculative claims, particularly concerning UFOs and government secrecy. While Harald Malmgren's role during the Cuban Missile Crisis is well-documented, his statements on UFOs are personal accounts without corroborating evidence. Readers should approach the speculative elements with critical consideration.


None of this will matter to the UFO disciples who simply believe words spoken by the preacher youtuber without the skills to objectively assess the content.

Believers will blindly believe.
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I'm impressed by your analysis and for getting through the near 4 hr interview so quickly 👏 I'm on leave and still took me longer than you to watch the lot.

I think disciples and blind belief is incorrect. I look at it as another highly qualified and well placed professional giving testimony that there is something in the whole UFO/UAP phenomena. He doesn't fall into the much trotted out narrative of a grifter plugging a book given his age and ill health at the time of interview, to me it's someone coming clean on what he knows before he dies.

Given there are active efforts to delete his and his daughters Wikipedia page suggests he is close to the mark on much of what he's said, I'm surprised the video is still up tbh.
 
skullmeister said:
I look at it as another highly qualified and well placed professional giving testimony that there is something in the whole UFO/UAP phenomena. He doesn't fall into the much trotted out narrative of a grifter plugging a book given his age and ill health at the time of interview, to me it's someone coming clean on what he knows before he dies.
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You just don't question anything if it supports your point of view, you'll just try and crowbar it into your narrative, those are the actions of a believer.

Was there NOTHING in that video you thought was absolute bullshit ?

skullmeister said:
I'm impressed by your analysis and for getting through the near 4 hr interview so quickly 👏 I'm on leave and still took me longer than you to watch the lot.
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Try watching on x1.5 speed, nearly all my YouTube stuff gets watched at x1.25/1.5 and if you see it all from a critical thinking POV you spot the shite as it happens. The more you study critical thinking the better you get at spotting the nonsense.

The video title was a clickbait white lie too, that's not a good start.
 
High Entropy said:
You just don't question anything if it supports your point of view, you'll just try and crowbar it into your narrative, those are the actions of a believer.

Was there NOTHING in that video you thought was absolute bullshit ?



Try watching on x1.5 speed, nearly all my YouTube stuff gets watched at x1.25/1.5 and if you see it all from a critical thinking POV you spot the shite as it happens. The more you study critical thinking the better you get at spotting the nonsense.

The video title was a clickbait white lie too, that's not a good start.
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I didn't realise you could watch on a quicker speed, that's really useful to know 👍

I discount plenty of stuff as bullshit, there's loads out there that I just don't believe.

Re this video, I can't say what's bullshit and what isn't, just because I wasn't in on the inside of this as it played out then I can't call everything as true or bs.

I struggle to know what his motivation would be for making stuff up and that's the same for the many previous and current people speaking out to say there's something going on.

I think the fact the Halgram's Wikipedia page has been butchered suggests he's upset some people of influence.

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skullmeister said:
Re this video, I can't say what's bullshit and what isn't, just because I wasn't in on the inside of this as it played out then I can't call everything as true or bs.
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Everything is false unless he can give convincing evidence, nothing was convincing (to me) so it remains false.
You can't do it the other way around, everything is truth until is proven not to be. It's just the
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skullmeister said:
I struggle to know what his motivation would be for making stuff up and that's the same for the many previous and current people speaking out to say there's something going on.
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Ego?

He didn't stop WW3 in the Cuban missile crisis, he was involved but the way he says it, he single handedly done it himself. Do you believe he stopped WW3 himself just because he said so ?

Do you think he touched a UFO just because he said so? Who would allow anyone to touch a UFO that came about from an atomic explosion, it'd be like holding a piece from Chernobyl :lol:

How many times have footballers had their wikis messed with !!
I don't think too much of the wiki stuff, it'll settle down and be correct after moderators finally get on top of it
 
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