UFO's

[DPTT]

Well considering we’ve just found the potential for life 120 light years away and we are very limited in our scientific knowledge it’s hardly outlandish to suggest a civilisation 1000’s of years more advanced than us could find us and have the technology to get here could have done so.

The explanation you are seeking will be far simpler, I’m sure.

If you know how it’s possible to make information travel faster than light speed (which is what would be needed for aliens located hundreds or thousands of light years away to detect us) then there is a Nobel Prize waiting for you. If this is a case the. What are you doing wasting your time on here?

 

[tunstall birdman]

The explanation you are seeking will be far simpler, I’m sure.

If you know how it’s possible to make information travel faster than light speed (which is what would be needed for aliens located hundreds or thousands of light years away to detect us) then there is a Nobel Prize waiting for you. If this is a case the. What are you doing wasting your time on here?

I wish it was, but decades later I am still seeking that explanation? If it was a simple explanation, I'm sure it would have been answered by now, but in all of those years since, no one has come even close to explaining the event that I witnessed. The explanations I have received of my account, have never addressed the important details in my account. The possibility that they were top secret military craft could even be considered, but if so, it's a closely guarded secret of a technology far superior than any and I state again, 'known' aeronautical technology of today.
I simply have no idea of who controlled or flew them, I just know that what I saw was incredible, mysterious and very real.

As kid I had an interest in the subject of UFOs, but had a mindset of 'I want to believe, but will only believe if I see one'. It took until my late twenties, for me to get confirmation that UFOs are truly 100% real. From that day, I moved on from wanting to know if they are real, to wanting to know who or what is behind these mysterious craft and their highly advanced technology? An answer I have yet to receive from both sceptics and believers alike. I find sceptics are far too quick to dismiss and believers are far too quick to say 'Aliens'. Both have never been able to provide me an explanation of what I saw and what it was.

I welcome sceptics with the subject of UFOs, sceptics are needed to dissect what is put in front of them, with regards to this subject. It's healthy for this subject to have sceptics questioning evidence and accounts put before them. It's not healthy for sceptics to have a constantly closed mind and totally dismiss any account and evidence put before them, regardless of how strong the account or evidence that is put before them. The American government has spent millions upon millions of dollars in over 70 years of research into this subject. That alone states that they don't think there is a simple explanation to the subject of UFOs the evidence presented and the hundreds of thousand UFO accounts by people all over the world, over the last 70 years.
The subject of UFOs cannot easily be debunked, otherwise it would have been done so many years ago.

 

[High Entropy]

the two UFOs, that clearly demonstrated an intelligent control of their extraordinary manoeuvres of flight. Manoeuvres that were far advanced of any 'known' craft in our skies are capable of doing.

That is a synonym for ...

I am saying it was alien spaceships

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[MunkyHeed]

But isn't there only one speed of light ?

Nope. Different speed depending on the medium it’s travelling through.

I think we'd be more likely to find a way to travel inter-dimentionally than a way to travel faster than light.

Agreed.

 

[High Entropy]

It's not healthy for sceptics to have a constantly closed mind and totally dismiss any account and evidence put before them

Put some evidence before me, can anyone put some evidence before us that isn't hearsay. Show me a clip of a UFO taken in daylight by dozens of observers on their mobiles.

My mind is wide open to any compelling evidence, it is you who is closed minded, you KNOW WHAT YOU SAW and you will not be told otherwise, that, by definition, is a closed mind your ignorance of that fact speaks volumes here.

 

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Put some evidence before me, can anyone put some evidence before us that isn't hearsay. Show me a clip of a UFO taken in daylight by dozens of observers on their mobiles.

My mind is wide open to any compelling evidence, it is you who is closed minded, you KNOW WHAT YOU SAW and you will not be told otherwise, that, by definition, is a closed mind your ignorance of that fact speaks volumes here.

 

[High Entropy]

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Is that how empty your argument is, or your head ?

I know what I saw goddamn it, you can't tell me otherwise, I know what I saw, I know what I saw !!!!

 

[fyl2u]

Nope. Different speed depending on the medium it’s travelling through.

Agreed.

And if the medium is space....?

 

[Kent_Mackem]

Well considering we’ve just found the potential for life 120 light years away and we are very limited in our scientific knowledge it’s hardly outlandish to suggest a civilisation 1000’s of years more advanced than us could find us and have the technology to get here could have done so.

I mean….. it’s obvious this discussion isn’t going to get anywheee. I’ve restated why visits from aliens are just not going to happen several times. I’m sorry if the phrasing wasn’t clear enough.

Probably time to just wish you a happy Easter and enjoy the footy.

 

[fyl2u]

I wish it was, but decades later I am still seeking that explanation? If it was a simple explanation, I'm sure it would have been answered by now, but in all of those years since, no one has come even close to explaining the event that I witnessed. The explanations I have received of my account, have never addressed the important details in my account. The possibility that they were top secret military craft could even be considered, but if so, it's a closely guarded secret of a technology far superior than any and I state again, 'known' aeronautical technology of today.
I simply have no idea of who controlled or flew them, I just know that what I saw was incredible, mysterious and very real.

As kid I had an interest in the subject of UFOs, but had a mindset of 'I want to believe, but will only believe if I see one'. It took until my late twenties, for me to get confirmation that UFOs are truly 100% real. From that day, I moved on from wanting to know if they are real, to wanting to know who or what is behind these mysterious craft and their highly advanced technology? An answer I have yet to receive from both sceptics and believers alike. I find sceptics are far too quick to dismiss and believers are far too quick to say 'Aliens'. Both have never been able to provide me an explanation of what I saw and what it was.

I welcome sceptics with the subject of UFOs, sceptics are needed to dissect what is put in front of them, with regards to this subject. It's healthy for this subject to have sceptics questioning evidence and accounts put before them. It's not healthy for sceptics to have a constantly closed mind and totally dismiss any account and evidence put before them, regardless of how strong the account or evidence that is put before them. The American government has spent millions upon millions of dollars in over 70 years of research into this subject. That alone states that they don't think there is a simple explanation to the subject of UFOs the evidence presented and the hundreds of thousand UFO accounts by people all over the world, over the last 70 years.
The subject of UFOs cannot easily be debunked, otherwise it would have been done so many years ago.

We've talked about the unreliability of memory a number of times already on this thread. About how even within a matter of days someone's memory of an event can change dramatically and the person will be completely unaware that it has changed, and adamant that they're remembering it clearly.

I was watching an old episode of House M.D. a couple of days ago and he actually explained this well-known phenomenon to someone. It made me chuckle because I remembered trying to explain it to you and mini-brain2 on this thread.

He explained how the human body replaces all its parts repeatedly over the course of a person's life, including the material that makes up the brain. Your memories are being "rebuilt" constantly as this material replacement happens. The way the brain works, when you're remembering something years down the line, you're not actually remembering the event itself, you're remembering a memory of yourself remembering a memory of yourself remembering a memory of yourself remembering the event.

It's an echo of an echo of an echo of an echo.... repeat many times... of the memory of the event.

Each echo distorts that original signal slightly to the point that if you're trying to remember it years later, the memory echo is likely to bear very little resemblance to the event you actually witnessed.

Something that started off life as "I saw something in the sky and I didn't know what it was but I've never seen a plane fly like that" could well over the years become "KNOWN SCIENCE CAN'T EXPLAIN IT, IT DEFIES THE LAWS OF PHYSICS, NO HUMAN-BUILT CRAFT COULD BE CAPABLE OF SUCH MANOEUVRES!!!" when in all probability it was a couple of balloons blowing in a strong wind or someone messing around with a laser pointer, or a trick of the light fooling your eyes into thinking you were seeing something at a different distance than you thought (the "magic-eye picture" effect).

 

[MunkyHeed]

I mean….. it’s obvious this discussion isn’t going to get anywheee. I’ve restated why visits from aliens are just not going to happen several times. I’m sorry if the phrasing wasn’t clear enough.

Probably time to just wish you a happy Easter and enjoy the footy.

You say that every time, but you’ll be back. Ta ta. Happy Easter.

This just keeps expanding, years ago things like exoplanets weren't a thing and now pretty much every star has at least one planet orbiting and it many several like our solar system. Life will be everywhere.

We've always had a high opinion of ourselves to think there's just us and nothing else anywhere else, it's ludicrous.

Have you watched the latest Jake Barber video yet? It’s still on my to-do list.

Seems like from APL’s latest tweet that Grusch has opened some doors at last!

 

[DPTT]

I mean….. it’s obvious this discussion isn’t going to get anywheee. I’ve restated why visits from aliens are just not going to happen several times. I’m sorry if the phrasing wasn’t clear enough.

Probably time to just wish you a happy Easter and enjoy the footy.

You too mate

 

[Kent_Mackem]

We've talked about the unreliability of memory a number of times already on this thread. About how even within a matter of days someone's memory of an event can change dramatically and the person will be completely unaware that it has changed, and adamant that they're remembering it clearly.

I was watching an old episode of House M.D. a couple of days ago and he actually explained this well-known phenomenon to someone. It made me chuckle because I remembered trying to explain it to you and mini-brain2 on this thread.

He explained how the human body replaces all its parts repeatedly over the course of a person's life, including the material that makes up the brain. Your memories are being "rebuilt" constantly as this material replacement happens. The way the brain works, when you're remembering something years down the line, you're not actually remembering the event itself, you're remembering a memory of yourself remembering a memory of yourself remembering a memory of yourself remembering the event.

It's an echo of an echo of an echo of an echo.... repeat many times... of the memory of the event.

Each echo distorts that original signal slightly to the point that if you're trying to remember it years later, the memory echo is likely to bear very little resemblance to the event you actually witnessed.

Something that started off life as "I saw something in the sky and I didn't know what it was but I've never seen a plane fly like that" could well over the years become "KNOWN SCIENCE CAN'T EXPLAIN IT, IT DEFIES THE LAWS OF PHYSICS, NO HUMAN-BUILT CRAFT COULD BE CAPABLE OF SUCH MANOEUVRES!!!" when in all probability it was a couple of balloons blowing in a strong wind or someone messing around with a laser pointer, or a trick of the light fooling your eyes into thinking you were seeing something at a different distance than you thought (the "magic-eye picture" effect).

In a world where social media has chipped away at the need for reliable evidence, anything goes.

You’re wasting your time with this. People just believe what they want to believe. For most people the requirement for rational thought or evidence is just no longer there.

He knows what he saw and that’s not going to change.

You say that every time, but you’ll be back. Ta ta. Happy Easter.

Have you watched the latest Jake Barber video yet? It’s still on my to-do list.

Seems like from APL’s latest tweet that Grusch has opened some doors at last!

I won’t be back this weekend. I’ve painted the stairs, cut the grass and hung out the washing. I’m cracking open a bottle of red and sitting down to chill for the evening in the real world.

 

[gards2]

Put some evidence before me, can anyone put some evidence before us that isn't hearsay. Show me a clip of a UFO taken in daylight by dozens of observers on their mobiles.

My mind is wide open to any compelling evidence, it is you who is closed minded, you KNOW WHAT YOU SAW and you will not be told otherwise, that, by definition, is a closed mind your ignorance of that fact speaks volumes here.

There's SO much footage of UFOs during the daytime ya lazy shite!

You want it 'served' to you on a USB don't you haha

Are you aware, that this subject is still very, much being supressed.

 

[skullmeister]

Another military sighting that was recorded on the systems of the USS Jackson was leaked recently, since then an active US sailor has came forward to verify the sighting as a first hand witness to verify that he also saw it

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The worst kind of evidence.

You know these highly trained and experienced pilots who are highly trained and well thought of by the likes of yourself, why have 99% of their UAP reports been solved as explained, via phenomenon/balloons/software blips, etc, etc.

They haven't lied, they haven't been dishonest, they believe what they saw, they were just fooled like the other 99% of UAP sightings that are later explained.

The thing is they haven't been solved, they've been debunked which is a totally different thing. Take the Go Fast video recorded by a US Fighter pilot. AARO have said the pilot got it wrong and the object wasn't just above the water and it was 13,000 feet high.

They didn't interview the pilots, didn't produce any data whatsoever and also didn't actually say what the object was - how can that be a resolved case

 

[High Entropy]

The thing is they haven't been solved, they've been debunked which is a totally different thing. Take the Go Fast video recorded by a US Fighter pilot. AARO have said the pilot got it wrong and the object wasn't just above the water and it was 13,000 feet high.

They didn't interview the pilots, didn't produce any data whatsoever and also didn't actually say what the object was - how can that be a resolved case

The clue is in the name of the files the pentagon attributed to the footage. Gimbal/Go Fast, go fast is a field of view illusion, you can experience this yourself, it's why if you feel car-sick you're told to look at the horizon, because it appears to move slower but if you zoom in, or look down the side of your window at the road. it appears to go fast-er. These pilot zoomed in on the object and it appeared as if the background was moving fast because of the narrow field of vision, giving the illusion the object was moving fast relative to the background.

Both gimbal and go fast ARE SOLVED as in, they display zero anomalous behaviour, there is nothing extraordinary about their movements. They move as you would expect something to move, what that something is we don't know but we can say it has an ordinary explanation.

These highly trained pilots you seem to attach a great amount of faith in are not infallible, they are humans and are still subject to the fallibility of the human brain as proven in both the gimbal and go fast footage, they have succumbed to an illusion just like the rest of us.

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It doesn't matter what you do in this illusion, you will ALWAYS see the concave version of the face appear in it's convex form, it's how your brains wiring works, you cannot "fix" the illusion, no matter how much training you have, or how much you testify at congress, you'd be wrong with your description on what was happening. Same with pilots.

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[skullmeister]

The clue is in the name of the files the pentagon attributed to the footage. Gimbal/Go Fast, go fast is a field of view illusion, you can experience this yourself, it's why if you feel car-sick you're told to look at the horizon, because it appears to move slower but if you zoom in, or look down the side of your window at the road. it appears to go fast-er. These pilot zoomed in on the object and it appeared as if the background was moving fast because of the narrow field of vision, giving the illusion the object was moving fast relative to the background.

Both gimbal and go fast ARE SOLVED as in, they display zero anomalous behaviour, there is nothing extraordinary about their movements. They move as you would expect something to move, what that something is we don't know but we can say it has an ordinary explanation.

These highly trained pilots you seem to attach a great amount of faith in are not infallible, they are humans and are still subject to the fallibility of the human brain as proven in both the gimbal and go fast footage, they have succumbed to an illusion just like the rest of us.

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It doesn't matter what you do in this illusion, you will ALWAYS see the concave version of the face appear in it's convex form, it's how your brains wiring works, you cannot "fix" the illusion, no matter how much training you have, or how much you testify at congress, you'd be wrong with your description on what was happening. Same with pilots.

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So what did they see?

 

[High Entropy]

So what did they see?

Why are you holding onto that part of the argument?

I dunno, an amateur GoPro balloon gone wrong, set off trying to get some cool footage from near space by some kids for a school project but ended up floating out over the ocean, yeah, lets say that, there you go, solved it for you. You can rest easy now.

 

[skullmeister]

Why are you holding onto that part of the argument?

seriously, this is exactly what the issue is, what did they see.

AARO have classed this as as resolved without saying what the object was, without interviewing the pilots, without sharing their calculations etc

It's part of a fighter pilot's job to identify objects and they didn't have a clue what this was and also tracked it on their systems.

 

[High Entropy]

seriously, this is exactly what the issue is, what did they see.

AARO have classed this as as resolved without saying what the object was, without interviewing the pilots, without sharing their calculations etc

It's part of a fighter pilot's job to identify objects and they didn't have a clue what this was and also tracked it on their systems.

seriously, this is exactly what it isn't about and you know it, when go fast and gimbal were released they were said to be proof of alien craft by the UFO community but actually there's nothing special about how they move and they're more likely a balloon than a craft, you know this, you're just being pedantic because your argument to the contrary has been disproven.

The fighter pilots misidentified it as an object flying in an anomalous manner (because as humans, even highly trained humans they made a mistake) they didn't eyeball it, they didn't fly close to it, they simply viewed it as we do, through their systems.

Why would they need to interview the pilots again?

Its a 100% fact that memories change over time, you'd surely go off the immediate interview debrief reports, no need to re-interview them and possibly contaminate the 1st interview with false memory in a later interview.