UFO's

[High Entropy]

Is testimony evidence?

The worst kind of evidence.

You know these highly trained and experienced pilots who are highly trained and well thought of by the likes of yourself, why have 99% of their UAP reports been solved as explained, via phenomenon/balloons/software blips, etc, etc.

They haven't lied, they haven't been dishonest, they believe what they saw, they were just fooled like the other 99% of UAP sightings that are later explained.

 

[Kent_Mackem]

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[Roker Mackem]

I don't think that's true, I think a lot of the science community are quite hopeful and accepting of the likelihood of life elsewhere. It's the vastness of time and space that make any of us crossing paths as ludicrous.

K2-18b is 729,000,000,000,000 miles away, if we sent a tight beam laser morse code message burst, it would take 124 years to reach it.

If live was common in space terms though the amount of time we are talking about would surely mean some alien races would be advanced that they could communicate with us?

Or is it that once these races reach a certain intelligence level they always destroy themselves like we likely will?

 

[Kent_Mackem]

The worst kind of evidence.

You know these highly trained and experienced pilots who are highly trained and well thought of by the likes of yourself, why have 99% of their UAP reports been solved as explained, via phenomenon/balloons/software blips, etc, etc.

They haven't lied, they haven't been dishonest, they believe what they saw, they were just fooled like the other 99% of UAP sightings that are later explained.

Yup. We've got some poor deluded lad on here that is utterly convinced he has watched alien spaceships flying around Shiney Row or wherever it was.
He's never going to accept any other explanation. He saw what he saw etc.

If live was common in space terms though the amount of time we are talking about would surely mean some alien races would be advanced that they could communicate with us?

Or is it that once these races reach a certain intelligence level they always destroy themselves like we likely will?

The obsession with self-destruction may be just a human trait. Most other species on here don't destroy themselves, it tends to be us that do that to them.

If there is life across the universe they won't know about us for thousands or perhaps millions of years since our radio wave based information will take so long to reach them. It would take the same distance for any reply. We'd be long gone by then.

Currently all they could detect are fingerprint spectra of organic molecules that hint at the existence of primitive life.

 

[Roker Mackem]

Yup. We've got some poor deluded lad on here that is utterly convinced he has watched alien spaceships flying around Shiney Row or wherever it was.
He's never going to accept any other explanation. He saw what he saw etc.

The obsession with self-destruction may be just a human trait. Most other species on here don't destroy themselves, it tends to be us that do that to them.

If there is life across the universe they won't know about us for thousands or perhaps millions of years since our radio wave based information will take so long to reach them. It would take the same distance for any reply. We'd be long gone by then.

Currently all they could detect are fingerprint spectra of organic molecules that hint at the existence of primitive life.

But if this species exist for another million years wouldnt you think theyd be so advanced that they could go interstellar?

 

[Kent_Mackem]

But if this species exist for another million years wouldnt you think theyd be so advanced that they could go interstellar?

They wouldn't know we are here though. They're not going to be able to make that information get to them any quicker no matter how advanced they are.
Even if they could find a way of travelling at anything approaching light speed, they'd go all that way to find very few signs that humans ever existed here.... other than radioactive poisoning and perhaps some last remaining bits of concrete.

 

[High Entropy]

If live was common in space terms though the amount of time we are talking about would surely mean some alien races would be advanced that they could communicate with us?

Or is it that once these races reach a certain intelligence level they always destroy themselves like we likely will?

I dunno.

Personally I think the chances of us being here are absolutely gigantic, way bigger than we can fathom out, we needed to survive an apocalyptic event (as mammals) that killed dinosaurs who dominated the earth for hundreds of millions of years, in order to become the dominant species. At the last ice age it's thought humans were down to the last 100,000 humans but we survived. We have Jupiter that protects us from hundreds of meteor hits every year (anyone remember schumaker/levy 5) We have oil that we have only recently discovered that gives us power and materials (without we wouldn't have a space shuttle, any plastics) that only exist because of a very, very, specific conditions.

To replicate all those exceptional circumstances we've survived must be trillions and trillions and trillions to one, so by probability there might be one other life source like us in three trillion life bearing planets but spread across a galaxy cluster !

We are never communicating on any reasonable level.

 

[Violet Club]

That simply is not true though.

There may well be life elsewhere. We may even find compelling evidence to support that idea.

What is not going to happen though is organisms travelling such vast distances. Even detecting light and/or radio waves over such distances takes hundreds, thousands or sometimes millions of years.

The planet mentioned would be currently hearing primitive messages in Morse Code. If they tune in and start listening carefully they'll soon hear the distress SOS signal from the Titanic. It's going to be a long while before they can watch Kylie and Jason on Neighbours.

That planet is within such a tiny, tiny area of the known universe. Even if there were aliens there with space flight technology, and if they lived for a few thousand years, if they were to set off today humans will be long gone before they've even 1% of the way here.

So it is true then. To a greater or in your example a much lesser extent. There is potential for there being life elsewhere.

 

[Kent_Mackem]

So it is true then. To a greater or in your example a much lesser extent. There is potential for there being life elsewhere.

I have never denied there is potential for life being elsewhere.

You wrote " If there is life elsewhere then most other things are possible, to either a greater or lesser extent."

That doesn't follow. There may well be life elsewhere. We won't be seeing them or hearing from them.

 

[fyl2u]

Is testimony evidence?

No, it's hearsay.

 

[skullmeister]

That's right

That's quite offensive but it's what I have came to expect from this thread.

No, it's hearsay.

I think you will find that you're wrong.

But if this species exist for another million years wouldnt you think theyd be so advanced that they could go interstellar?

It's rationale to think that, we've came from a horse and cart to stealth technology and the international space station in less than a 150 years or so. It's conceivable we will have advanced alot further in another few hundred years.

The director of the White House Office of Science and Technology Policy, Michael Kratsios, publicly stated last week that that the US currently has the ability to manipulatentime and space and 'leave distance annihilated'.

 

[Kent_Mackem]

That's quite offensive but it's what I have came to expect from this thread.


It's rationale to think that, we've came from a horse and cart to stealth technology and the international space station in less than a 150 years or so. It's conceivable we will have advanced alot further in another few hundred years.

How is that offensive??? I was agreeing with you.

You’re mixing up the concept of species advancing (which of course they will do) and being able to achieve the impossible (e.g. making information travel faster than light, and achieving near light speed for physical objects).

Makes for decent TV series and films though.

 

[fyl2u]

I think you will find that you're wrong.

Sure, nobody has ever lied in court or in front of Congress.

We've always had a high opinion of ourselves to think there's just us and nothing else anywhere else, it's ludicrous.

Literally nobody believes there's no life anywhere else.

It's the idea that aliens are visiting us that we're disbelieving.

But if this species exist for another million years wouldnt you think theyd be so advanced that they could go interstellar?

We've been travelling to space for less than 65 years and look at all the junk we've left floating around up there (and even a couple of bits we've deliberately sent flying out of our solar system).

If there were alien civilisations that had been around for millions of years, think of how much more stuff there would be out there.

Or maybe this ancient alien race are also neat freaks who fly around the galaxy hoovering up after themselves to keep the place nice and tidy?

 

[DPTT]

I have never denied there is potential for life being elsewhere.

You wrote " If there is life elsewhere then most other things are possible, to either a greater or lesser extent."

That doesn't follow. There may well be life elsewhere. We won't be seeing them or hearing from them.

What if these “aliens” noticed life on Earth millions of years ago and have already been here and thought “this place is shit” and buggered off again
Possibilities are pretty endless to be honest.

 

[High Entropy]

That's quite offensive but it's what I have came to expect from this thread.

Sadly it's true, do you deny that people who are easily influenced by the likes of Andrew Tate, Flat Earthers, Evangelic Preachers, lack the skills to see how poorly the claims are and don't see that it's about monetising the content, not scientifically backing up the content.

We have a name for it, clickbait. If you fall for this crap then yes, I'd say you were vulnerable. It's a blunt truth, not an offensive opinion.

 

[Kent_Mackem]

What if these “aliens” noticed life on Earth millions of years ago and have already been here and thought “this place is shit” and buggered off again
Possibilities are pretty endless to be honest.

They're really not though if you think it through properly.

 

[DPTT]

They're really not though if you think it through properly.

Explain?
Thought it through and it’s very possible

 

[tunstall birdman]

Yup. We've got some poor deluded lad on here that is utterly convinced he has watched alien spaceships flying around Shiney Row or wherever it was.
He's never going to accept any other explanation. He saw what he saw etc.

The obsession with self-destruction may be just a human trait. Most other species on here don't destroy themselves, it tends to be us that do that to them.

If there is life across the universe they won't know about us for thousands or perhaps millions of years since our radio wave based information will take so long to reach them. It would take the same distance for any reply. We'd be long gone by then.

Currently all they could detect are fingerprint spectra of organic molecules that hint at the existence of primitive life.

If that is referring to me, it was over Tunstall Hill. If so, you can join the list of the other thicko sceptics on here who cannot read properly and constantly say, I am saying it was alien spaceships. In my many posts on here, I have never said it 'was' aliens, I have only stated that it is a 'possibility', but without evidence I simply have no idea who/what operated the two UFOs, that clearly demonstrated an intelligent control of their extraordinary manoeuvres of flight. Manoeuvres that were far advanced of any 'known' craft in our skies are capable of doing.
In nearly 30 years, not one person has been able to give me an explanation of what I saw back then. Even modern day drones cannot do some of the manoeuvres that I witnessed these craft doing.

If you were not referring to me, I'll let you off?

 

[Kent_Mackem]

If that is referring to me, it was over Tunstall Hill. If so, you can join the list of the other thicko sceptics on here who cannot read properly and constantly say, I am saying it was alien spaceships. In my many posts on here, I have never said it 'was' aliens, I have only stated that it is a 'possibility', but without evidence I simply have no idea who/what operated the two UFOs, that clearly demonstrated an intelligent control of their extraordinary manoeuvres of flight. Manoeuvres that were far advanced of any 'known' craft in our skies are capable of doing.
In nearly 30 years, not one person has been able to give me an explanation of what I saw back then. Even modern day drones cannot do some of the manoeuvres that I witnessed these craft doing.

If you were not referring to me, I'll let you off?

The explanation you are seeking will be far simpler, I’m sure.

Explain?
Thought it through and it’s very possible

If you know how it’s possible to make information travel faster than light speed (which is what would be needed for aliens located hundreds or thousands of light years away to detect us) then there is a Nobel Prize waiting for you. If this is a case the. What are you doing wasting your time on here?

 

[ivanthereasonable]

But if this species exist for another million years wouldnt you think theyd be so advanced that they could go interstellar?

But isn't there only one speed of light ?

I think we'd be more likely to find a way to travel inter-dimentionally than a way to travel faster than light.

I'm an expert in these things.