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Jack Clarke

I’m not sure what the mystery is, the vast vast majority of players don’t make it/ play as well in the premier league. The opposition they are up against is far far superior than what you get in the championship where teams have maybe 2 or 3 good/ great performers for this if they are lucky. Clarkes a good footballer…but then so are the players he’s up against
There’s a massive tendency to build up players thinking they are the bees knees in this division, but in reality when they make the step up they are playing against teams with a lot more quality, who are fitter, faster and stronger. They don’t get time on the ball to faff around as they are closed down within seconds, and they are expected to chase back and do other duties for 90 mins not just look good on the wings or any other position here and there.

If we go up, we shall see how our lot fare, but gotta be realistic and realise there’s a world of difference between the championship and the premier league
 

I am pretty sure that one person who does not feel sorry for Clarke is Clarke himself.

Fans are attached emotionally to clubs in a way that players are not. Look at Defoe for instance. Idolised by a 40,000 crowd but up and off to play intermittently in front of 10,000 at Bournemouth.

Clarke will not regret leaving us for even a minute.
Like all of us , the dream is to work with people we like, doing something we love in a good environment. Equally all of us would most likely take a punt on going somewhere which had no guarantee of those three things if our wages were doubled….
He might very well not be as happy at Ipswich but he knew the risks.
 
I’m not sure what the mystery is, the vast vast majority of players don’t make it/ play as well in the premier league. The opposition they are up against is far far superior than what you get in the championship where teams have maybe 2 or 3 good/ great performers for this if they are lucky. Clarkes a good footballer…but then so are the players he’s up against
There’s a massive tendency to build up players thinking they are the bees knees in this division, but in reality when they make the step up they are playing against teams with a lot more quality, who are fitter, faster and stronger. They don’t get time on the ball to faff around as they are closed down within seconds, and they are expected to chase back and do other duties for 90 mins not just look good on the wings or any other position here and there.

If we go up, we shall see how our lot fare, but gotta be realistic and realise there’s a world of difference between the championship and the premier league
The difference in class is immense and getting bigger. Tbh being a big fish in the Championship is still an achievement many of us could only dream of.
 
Yep, nothing to be ashamed of being a pro footballer at any level, most people would give their left bollock to earn a very decent living doing something they love.
I was lucky enough to earn a few quid playing decent non league level, but even the step up from that to League 2 level was huge marra.

A lot of people really don't get how good these players are that we watch and criticise every week.

They just have something that us mere mortals don't have.

I could have trained 24 hrs a day, 7 days a week, and never made that last step up.
 
Wants to find a new agent or grow up and represent himself.
Very badly advised.
One more season with us and he would have secured that pay day with a steady PL club for many years to come.
Been watching and reading this thread for months (and commented a few times) but I’d be very curious as to why if you go up you think you’ll make a better go of it than us?

We went up with one of the best season tallies in recent memory, bought some proper quality in the likes of Delap for sample who will be an england player in future seasons and we’re still very likely to go back down.

There was no guarantee that a) you’d be promoted and b) you’d make a better go of it than us anyway. I can see why he signed even asides for the money.

As it goes, he just lacks the physicality for the league. He’s showing no strength whatsoever and being brushed off the ball every time he does anything. He shows glimpses and then gets shoved off the ball by a big defender and then hides away for the next 10 minutes. Szmodics has earned the place over him quite frankly.

As for some other stuff in this thread, there is literally zero chance of McKenna being sacked. And to suggest he’s been ‘found out’ is also ridiculous. We had 6 starters last week who played for us against Exeter on the last day of our League 1 season. To even have us competing (1 win off the dotted line at halfway is competing) is a testament to how good a manager he is. Back to back promotions in the parachute payment era where the quality and gulf between the championship and premier league is enormous is a superb job. Even if we go back down as plenty of our fanbase expect we might, McKenna would be taking up a job at the likes of Spurs. He was already approached for the Chelsea job remember and offered the Brighton and Crystal Palace jobs previously. Nothing that has happened this season detracts from that.

Good luck with the rest of the season. Still hope yous go up despite reading stuff like ‘Pisswich Town’ in this thread which is nothing short of embarrassing in all honesty.
 
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I get people not wanting to go over old ground again which has seen us been stung a few times, but Clarke would instantly be out best player again no questions asked. It’ll never happen but I’d take him in a heartbeat.
 
Been watching and reading this thread for months (and commented a few times) but I’d be very curious as to why if you go up you think you’ll make a better go of it than us?
I think you've completely misunderstood my point. I wasn't suggesting he would make his move from Sunderland (in the PL) having been promoted and doing 'better' than Ipswich.

Jack Clarke was developing brilliantly at Sunderland in a side that suited his style of play. However, he remained occasionally inconsistent and I think eventually started to believe the hype around him. There was never any doubt that he could excell at the next level. His agent took the opportunity of an immediate payday with a newly promoted competitor. This was short sighted for two obvious reasons. Firstly, one more season of development at Sunderland would have made him an even more attractive prospect after a further Championship season in the shop window so to speak. Secondly, his agent chose a club that was inevitably going to be relegated rather than an established PL club where Clarke could further develop in the seasons to come.
He's had his pay day and now sits on the bench at Ipswich.
Deary me, what a bad outcome for a very talented young man.
 
Been watching and reading this thread for months (and commented a few times) but I’d be very curious as to why if you go up you think you’ll make a better go of it than us?

We went up with one of the best season tallies in recent memory, bought some proper quality in the likes of Delap for sample who will be an england player in future seasons and we’re still very likely to go back down.

There was no guarantee that a) you’d be promoted and b) you’d make a better go of it than us anyway. I can see why he signed even asides for the money.

As it goes, he just lacks the physicality for the league. He’s showing no strength whatsoever and being brushed off the ball every time he does anything. He shows glimpses and then gets shoved off the ball by a big defender and then hides away for the next 10 minutes. Szmodics has earned the place over him quite frankly.

As for some other stuff in this thread, there is literally zero chance of McKenna being sacked. And to suggest he’s been ‘found out’ is also ridiculous. We had 6 starters last week who played for us against Exeter on the last day of our League 1 season. To even have us competing (1 win off the dotted line at halfway is competing) is a testament to how good a manager he is. Back to back promotions in the parachute payment era where the quality and gulf between the championship and premier league is enormous is a superb job. Even if we go back down as plenty of our fanbase expect we might, McKenna would be taking up a job at the likes of Spurs. He was already approached for the Chelsea job remember and offered the Brighton and Crystal Palace jobs previously. Nothing that has happened this season detracts from that.

Good luck with the rest of the season. Still hope yous go up despite reading stuff like ‘Pisswich Town’ in this thread which is nothing short of embarrassing in all honesty.
Bought some ‘proper quality’ but only name one, unproven player. That’s why.
 
Been watching and reading this thread for months (and commented a few times) but I’d be very curious as to why if you go up you think you’ll make a better go of it than us?

We went up with one of the best season tallies in recent memory, bought some proper quality in the likes of Delap for sample who will be an england player in future seasons and we’re still very likely to go back down.

There was no guarantee that a) you’d be promoted and b) you’d make a better go of it than us anyway. I can see why he signed even asides for the money.

As it goes, he just lacks the physicality for the league. He’s showing no strength whatsoever and being brushed off the ball every time he does anything. He shows glimpses and then gets shoved off the ball by a big defender and then hides away for the next 10 minutes. Szmodics has earned the place over him quite frankly.

As for some other stuff in this thread, there is literally zero chance of McKenna being sacked. And to suggest he’s been ‘found out’ is also ridiculous. We had 6 starters last week who played for us against Exeter on the last day of our League 1 season. To even have us competing (1 win off the dotted line at halfway is competing) is a testament to how good a manager he is. Back to back promotions in the parachute payment era where the quality and gulf between the championship and premier league is enormous is a superb job. Even if we go back down as plenty of our fanbase expect we might, McKenna would be taking up a job at the likes of Spurs. He was already approached for the Chelsea job remember and offered the Brighton and Crystal Palace jobs previously. Nothing that has happened this season detracts from that.

Good luck with the rest of the season. Still hope yous go up despite reading stuff like ‘Pisswich Town’ in this thread which is nothing short of embarrassing in all honesty.
Don’t think he’s saying we would make a better go of it.

If Clarke had stayed another season he wouldn’t have had a 15m fee (given the length of his contract, also likely have had some more interest by that point from more established lower level PL teams.

For what it’s worth I don’t think we would do much different to you if we went up and expect we would come back down. Would be the case for most teams
 
Been watching and reading this thread for months (and commented a few times) but I’d be very curious as to why if you go up you think you’ll make a better go of it than us?

We went up with one of the best season tallies in recent memory, bought some proper quality in the likes of Delap for sample who will be an england player in future seasons and we’re still very likely to go back down.

There was no guarantee that a) you’d be promoted and b) you’d make a better go of it than us anyway. I can see why he signed even asides for the money.

As it goes, he just lacks the physicality for the league. He’s showing no strength whatsoever and being brushed off the ball every time he does anything. He shows glimpses and then gets shoved off the ball by a big defender and then hides away for the next 10 minutes. Szmodics has earned the place over him quite frankly.

As for some other stuff in this thread, there is literally zero chance of McKenna being sacked. And to suggest he’s been ‘found out’ is also ridiculous. We had 6 starters last week who played for us against Exeter on the last day of our League 1 season. To even have us competing (1 win off the dotted line at halfway is competing) is a testament to how good a manager he is. Back to back promotions in the parachute payment era where the quality and gulf between the championship and premier league is enormous is a superb job. Even if we go back down as plenty of our fanbase expect we might, McKenna would be taking up a job at the likes of Spurs. He was already approached for the Chelsea job remember and offered the Brighton and Crystal Palace jobs previously. Nothing that has happened this season detracts from that.

Good luck with the rest of the season. Still hope yous go up despite reading stuff like ‘Pisswich Town’ in this thread which is nothing short of embarrassing in all honesty.
I’m just astonished that both McKenna and Ipswich fans don’t even seem to realise that you spent £15 million on the best wide player in the championship only to play him in a role that he has never played before and are judging him on that. It’s like playing Delap full back. Terrible recruitment on your behalf and nothing to do with Clarkes ability as a footballer. I do agree though that your efforts so far in the premiership are reasonable enough and if we went up we woujd struggle to match them.
 
Been watching and reading this thread for months (and commented a few times) but I’d be very curious as to why if you go up you think you’ll make a better go of it than us?

We went up with one of the best season tallies in recent memory, bought some proper quality in the likes of Delap for sample who will be an england player in future seasons and we’re still very likely to go back down.

There was no guarantee that a) you’d be promoted and b) you’d make a better go of it than us anyway. I can see why he signed even asides for the money.

As it goes, he just lacks the physicality for the league. He’s showing no strength whatsoever and being brushed off the ball every time he does anything. He shows glimpses and then gets shoved off the ball by a big defender and then hides away for the next 10 minutes. Szmodics has earned the place over him quite frankly.

As for some other stuff in this thread, there is literally zero chance of McKenna being sacked. And to suggest he’s been ‘found out’ is also ridiculous. We had 6 starters last week who played for us against Exeter on the last day of our League 1 season. To even have us competing (1 win off the dotted line at halfway is competing) is a testament to how good a manager he is. Back to back promotions in the parachute payment era where the quality and gulf between the championship and premier league is enormous is a superb job. Even if we go back down as plenty of our fanbase expect we might, McKenna would be taking up a job at the likes of Spurs. He was already approached for the Chelsea job remember and offered the Brighton and Crystal Palace jobs previously. Nothing that has happened this season detracts from that.

Good luck with the rest of the season. Still hope yous go up despite reading stuff like ‘Pisswich Town’ in this thread which is nothing short of embarrassing in all honesty.

Posted this elsewhere but it's probably more suited to discussion here:

Regarding Clarke, you can't really label him as not good enough for the PL when he was purchased by a club who employ a system that was never going to suit him.

A lot of the attacking build up is via Leif Davis wide down the left, which in turn forces Clarke inside and narrow, thus limiting most of what he is best at.

Szmodics who you mention is a good example. You've used Szmodics on the left quite often and he has 2 goals from the games he has played in that position, whilst Clarke has 2 assists in the minimal game time he has had in the same position, so relatively comparable and similar production from two players who were arguably best in class in last season's Championship.

Szmodics for example had 27 goals last season and aside from 1 game out wide, played every other one centrally. Yet McKenna is playing him on the left almost every game.

To me it's more of an issue of Ipswich signing some players for the sake of it, with no real thoughts on how they are going to fit.

You have to sign players to suit your system regardless, and it's why having a consistent playing style, supported by a strong DOF and recruitment team, is of vital importance. Having 6 starters who relatively recently played for you in L1 (as you've noted) despite spending circa £120m this summer, speaks volumes IMO.

I suspect this "interest" that McKenna had last summer was played marvellously by him and his agent to capitalise on his high stock and sign a mega new contract on the back of it. Do you really think if Chelsea or Manchester United had genuinely wanted him as their preferred choice after interviews, that he wouldn't have gone?

Nothing at all against Ipswich and more power to you, but just my opinions above for what they are worth.
 
Posted this elsewhere but it's probably more suited to discussion here:

Regarding Clarke, you can't really label him as not good enough for the PL when he was purchased by a club who employ a system that was never going to suit him.

A lot of the attacking build up is via Leif Davis wide down the left, which in turn forces Clarke inside and narrow, thus limiting most of what he is best at.

Szmodics who you mention is a good example. You've used Szmodics on the left quite often and he has 2 goals from the games he has played in that position, whilst Clarke has 2 assists in the minimal game time he has had in the same position, so relatively comparable and similar production from two players who were arguably best in class in last season's Championship.

Szmodics for example had 27 goals last season and aside from 1 game out wide, played every other one centrally. Yet McKenna is playing him on the left almost every game.

To me it's more of an issue of Ipswich signing some players for the sake of it, with no real thoughts on how they are going to fit.

You have to sign players to suit your system regardless, and it's why having a consistent playing style, supported by a strong DOF and recruitment team, is of vital importance. Having 6 starters who relatively recently played for you in L1 (as you've noted) despite spending circa £120m this summer, speaks volumes IMO.

I suspect this "interest" that McKenna had last summer was played marvellously by him and his agent to capitalise on his high stock and sign a mega new contract on the back of it. Do you really think if Chelsea or Manchester United had genuinely wanted him as their preferred choice after interviews, that he wouldn't have gone?

Nothing at all against Ipswich and more power to you, but just my opinions above for what they are worth.
Agree mostly with this.

And I know ultimately it was Clarkes final decision to make the move, but I think either he or his advisors should have recognised the "Ipswich buying players for the sake of it" part. It was obvious to most onlookers what was happening.

Bad decision imo, and one he may live to regret from a football, if not financial position.

Just hope somehow, he realises his potential somewhere.
 
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Been watching and reading this thread for months (and commented a few times) but I’d be very curious as to why if you go up you think you’ll make a better go of it than us?

We went up with one of the best season tallies in recent memory, bought some proper quality in the likes of Delap for sample who will be an england player in future seasons and we’re still very likely to go back down.

There was no guarantee that a) you’d be promoted and b) you’d make a better go of it than us anyway. I can see why he signed even asides for the money.

As it goes, he just lacks the physicality for the league. He’s showing no strength whatsoever and being brushed off the ball every time he does anything. He shows glimpses and then gets shoved off the ball by a big defender and then hides away for the next 10 minutes. Szmodics has earned the place over him quite frankly.

As for some other stuff in this thread, there is literally zero chance of McKenna being sacked. And to suggest he’s been ‘found out’ is also ridiculous. We had 6 starters last week who played for us against Exeter on the last day of our League 1 season. To even have us competing (1 win off the dotted line at halfway is competing) is a testament to how good a manager he is. Back to back promotions in the parachute payment era where the quality and gulf between the championship and premier league is enormous is a superb job. Even if we go back down as plenty of our fanbase expect we might, McKenna would be taking up a job at the likes of Spurs. He was already approached for the Chelsea job remember and offered the Brighton and Crystal Palace jobs previously. Nothing that has happened this season detracts from that.

Good luck with the rest of the season. Still hope yous go up despite reading stuff like ‘Pisswich Town’ in this thread which is nothing short of embarrassing in all honesty.

What ill say on this is that sunderland like ipswich if promoted will be destined to come down.

whats interesting about it would be the end results as the approach of RLB and McKenna is arguably night and day. We essentially employ a well organised 442 low block with a press, whereas i believe ipswich are more possession orientated.

Youll come down and its no slight on mckenna or your side, its a process.
Posted this elsewhere but it's probably more suited to discussion here:

Regarding Clarke, you can't really label him as not good enough for the PL when he was purchased by a club who employ a system that was never going to suit him.

A lot of the attacking build up is via Leif Davis wide down the left, which in turn forces Clarke inside and narrow, thus limiting most of what he is best at.

Szmodics who you mention is a good example. You've used Szmodics on the left quite often and he has 2 goals from the games he has played in that position, whilst Clarke has 2 assists in the minimal game time he has had in the same position, so relatively comparable and similar production from two players who were arguably best in class in last season's Championship.

Szmodics for example had 27 goals last season and aside from 1 game out wide, played every other one centrally. Yet McKenna is playing him on the left almost every game.

To me it's more of an issue of Ipswich signing some players for the sake of it, with no real thoughts on how they are going to fit.

You have to sign players to suit your system regardless, and it's why having a consistent playing style, supported by a strong DOF and recruitment team, is of vital importance. Having 6 starters who relatively recently played for you in L1 (as you've noted) despite spending circa £120m this summer, speaks volumes IMO.

I suspect this "interest" that McKenna had last summer was played marvellously by him and his agent to capitalise on his high stock and sign a mega new contract on the back of it. Do you really think if Chelsea or Manchester United had genuinely wanted him as their preferred choice after interviews, that he wouldn't have gone?

Nothing at all against Ipswich and more power to you, but just my opinions above for what they are worth.

Ipswich like most promoted teams are destined to come down

their business ion the summer though arguably has an element of future proofing as they have what amounts to a championship dream team. Yes Delap goes, but Smodzics goes central, Clarke goes left and all of a sudden they have the golden boot winner and best left winger from the season before last in their team, in addition to many others, such as the centre half from Hull.

Putting them in a good position to go up again.

The gap between the prem and the championship is massive that clubs need to keep cool heads and realise theyre most likely coming back down and acknowledge itll be a couple of yoyo seasons the build up the financial clout to slowly bridge the quality gap.
 
Posted this elsewhere but it's probably more suited to discussion here:

Regarding Clarke, you can't really label him as not good enough for the PL when he was purchased by a club who employ a system that was never going to suit him.

A lot of the attacking build up is via Leif Davis wide down the left, which in turn forces Clarke inside and narrow, thus limiting most of what he is best at.

Szmodics who you mention is a good example. You've used Szmodics on the left quite often and he has 2 goals from the games he has played in that position, whilst Clarke has 2 assists in the minimal game time he has had in the same position, so relatively comparable and similar production from two players who were arguably best in class in last season's Championship.

Szmodics for example had 27 goals last season and aside from 1 game out wide, played every other one centrally. Yet McKenna is playing him on the left almost every game.

To me it's more of an issue of Ipswich signing some players for the sake of it, with no real thoughts on how they are going to fit.

You have to sign players to suit your system regardless, and it's why having a consistent playing style, supported by a strong DOF and recruitment team, is of vital importance. Having 6 starters who relatively recently played for you in L1 (as you've noted) despite spending circa £120m this summer, speaks volumes IMO.

I suspect this "interest" that McKenna had last summer was played marvellously by him and his agent to capitalise on his high stock and sign a mega new contract on the back of it. Do you really think if Chelsea or Manchester United had genuinely wanted him as their preferred choice after interviews, that he wouldn't have gone?

Nothing at all against Ipswich and more power to you, but just my opinions above for what they are worth.

I thought a lot of their signings were made with on eye on the strong possibility of relegation, and making sure they had a squad capable of challenging for promotion again the season after.

Don't see anything wrong in that, and I'd expect that we would do something similar, probably spending a lot less than what Ipswich have.
 
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