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[High Entropy]

Our own solar system is around 4.5 billion years old, in comparison to older systems of the Milky Way which is 13.5 billion years old, the Milky Way itself is a young galaxy, among an unfathomable amounts of other galaxies, at distances that difficult to comprehend, and it turns out there’s potentially endless other universes. And that’s just bounded in the dimension we observe in.

It's difficult to say otherwise because we can't really calculate the odds of us being alive and surviving but just quoting available numbers means nothing, the Fermi paradox is unresolved, so even if there was a trillion habitable planets it means nothing if intelligent life is a trillion, trillion, trillion to 1.

We can't possibly know if that many habitable planets means the odds of life are good, especially as we don't know what the odds of life are. What if the odds of life is immeasurably larger than the number of habital planets.

Other universes is just a thought, you seem to have included it here as fact.

The space program only began in less than a 100 years ago, it’s not like Neolithic man was attempting to build space rockets, instead of subsistence farming. From conception to achieving space flight happened within the last 100 years which is a tiny snapshot in the grand scheme of things

You think man only thought of the concept of flying like a bird 100 years before space flight?

This concept was thought of by Da Vinci about 500 years

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Successful flight yes but it took man thousands of years to achieve successful flight after countless thousands of attempts over millennia.

 

[citybythesea]

It's difficult to say otherwise because we can't really calculate the odds of us being alive and surviving but just quoting available numbers means nothing, the Fermi paradox is unresolved, so even if there was a trillion habitable planets it means nothing if intelligent life is a trillion, trillion, trillion to 1.

We can't possibly know if that many habitable planets means the odds of life are good, especially as we don't know what the odds of life are. What if the odds of life is immeasurably larger than the number of habital planets.

Other universes is just a thought, you seem to have included it here as fact.



You think man only thought of the concept of flying like a bird 100 years before space flight?

This concept was thought of by Da Vinci about 500 years

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Successful flight yes but it took man thousands of years to achieve successful flight after countless thousands of attempts over millennia.

And of course we made of the same elements common throughout the universe this is confirmed with colorimetry. The Miller-Urey experiments in the 1950s confirmed amino acid can randomly start in the presence of electrical atmospheres.
Not sure da Vinci’s concept drawings of the aerial screw are analogous to space flight

 

[High Entropy]

And of course we made of the same elements common throughout the universe this is confirmed with colorimetry. The Miller-Urey experiments in the 1950s confirmed amino acid can randomly start in the presence of electrical atmospheres.

Does that alone equal life ?

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and its extremely rare, a trillion-gazillion to 1 for it to happen and another trillion-gazillion to 1 for it to survive, two cells bumping into each other in a primordial puddle and not destroying each other but somehow realising they can work together to be better, then we have to survive all of the earths changes over the last 2 billion years, every ice-age, every meteor, every disaster, including the one that killed the very successful dinosaurs but not too bad that mammals were wiped out at the same time.

Surviving this long is maybe even more unlikely than the process that kicked off life, that is how gigantic the odds are that we are even here, never mind having the correct brain size ratio to be intelligent enough to get to space,

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- the odds we beat to be here now and smart enough to know it are bigger than I can even imagine !!

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and if you watch it you'll see just how lucky we are to have survived, not just to have existed in the first place.

Not sure da Vinci’s concept drawings of the aerial screw are analogous to space flight

They're not analogous to space flight. I was pointing out that we've been trying to fly much longer than 100 years and that it is part of the progression toward space flight that can't be ignored.

 

[Kent_Mackem]

Our own solar system is around 4.5 billion years old, in comparison to older systems of the Milky Way which is 13.5 billion years old, the Milky Way itself is a young galaxy,

If the age of the universe itself is 13.7 billion years, how is The Milky Way (at you quote 13.5 billion years old) a young galaxy?

My general take on it is that I believe aliens have visited Earth.

Just curious, since the odds are massively against this being the case (as I tried to show on an earlier post on this thread), why you believe it?

 

[Hansel]

Just curious, since the odds are massively against this being the case (as I tried to show on an earlier post on this thread), why you believe it?

No doubt the evidence is on YouTube.

 

[citybythesea]

Does that alone equal life ?

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and its extremely rare, a trillion-gazillion to 1 for it to happen and another trillion-gazillion to 1 for it to survive, two cells bumping into each other in a primordial puddle and not destroying each other but somehow realising they can work together to be better, then we have to survive all of the earths changes over the last 2 billion years, every ice-age, every meteor, every disaster, including the one that killed the very successful dinosaurs but not too bad that mammals were wiped out at the same time.

Surviving this long is maybe even more unlikely than the process that kicked off life, that is how gigantic the odds are that we are even here, never mind having the correct brain size ratio to be intelligent enough to get to space,

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- the odds we beat to be here now and smart enough to know it are bigger than I can even imagine !!

There was a

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and if you watch it you'll see just how lucky we are to have survived, not just to have existed in the first place.



They're not analogous to space flight. I was pointing out that we've been trying to fly much longer than 100 years and that it is part of the progression toward space flight that can't be ignored.

Not guaranteed but it obviously has the potential as it created life here. The commonality of the elements the biochemistry and the vast number involved makes it possible. That is undeniable yet inconclusive.
The matter we’re made of is star stuff! We’re a compilation of various elements from different stars, the chemistry of the universe we share

 

[Brian Griffin]

Not guaranteed but it obviously has the potential as it created life here. The commonality of the elements the biochemistry and the vast number involved makes it possible. That is undeniable yet inconclusive.
The matter we’re made of is star stuff! We’re a compilation of various elements from different stars, the chemistry of the universe we share

Making the mistake of thinking of all life would be like us.

If life was made up differently it would need different elements.

 

[MunkyHeed]

Making the mistake of thinking of all life would be like us.

If life was made up differently it would need different elements.

Yep. It’s possible. All we know is that life can be carbon based so may as well focus our attention on that for now. Silicon based life has potential too.

 

[citybythesea]

Making the mistake of thinking of all life would be like us.

If life was made up differently it would need different elements.

Mmm maybe maybe not, although there had been speculation silicon could be an alternative to carbon
Organic chemistry has a unique properties in variety configurations. Amino acids forming in electrical arcs is the reasoning behind the genesis event here.
I agree there’s a lot of assumptions based on what we know here and things could be entirely different. The consensus view is organic chemistry in the presence of water is the prerequisite required, ergo why those are the search criteria for exploration

 

[High Entropy]

We’re a compilation of various elements from different stars, the chemistry of the universe we share

There's far more to baking the perfect cake than just having the ingredients to hand.

 

[citybythesea]

There's far more to baking the perfect cake than just having the ingredients to hand.

Yep In a recipe of consisting of just 12 particles of matter constant throughout the universe

 

[fyl2u]

What advanced spiritual species, and they would have to be spiritual to be that advanced, would bother to communicate with us savages?

First question would be: "They can't even live with each other, plus they have nukes...let's bugger off to another planet.

Piffle

 

[taipeisafc]

If enough people want them to exist, they will exist...it's complicated

No it isn't - stuff exists or it doesn't irrespective of peoples wants. The size of the universe and plethora of star systems makes it possible that life has evolved elsewhere in the universe but it may not have - until we get evidence one way or another it stays as an unknown.

 

[legend7]

On diagnosis murder now Jesse may have been abducted by aliens for 5 days

 

[High Entropy]

Yep In a recipe of consisting of just 12 particles of matter constant throughout the universe

It's not as simple as you seem to think, not even close. There's no baker, no one to put those elements together, only randomised natural occurrences and the ingredients have to assemble themselves in the exact amounts at the exact time and bake survive for billions of years.

We were almost wiped out at the last ice-age, every human today can trace their ancestors back to the 100,000 or so survivors of the that apocalyptic event, the one that wiped out every other homo species except ours.

It's like hitting 0 on the roulette wheel 50 times in a row, and just having the availability of a roulette wheel doesn't mean it happens all the time.

 

[citybythesea]

It's not as simple as you seem to think, not even close. There's no baker, no one to put those elements together, only randomised natural occurrences and the ingredients have to assemble themselves in the exact amounts at the exact time and bake survive for billions of years.

We were almost wiped out at the last ice-age, every human today can trace their ancestors back to the 100,000 or so survivors of the that apocalyptic event, the one that wiped out every other homo species except ours.

It's like hitting 0 on the roulette wheel 50 times in a row, and just having the availability of a roulette wheel doesn't mean it happens all the time.

And yet here we are, but we are somehow unique!
Of course I haven’t created an electrical atmosphere over a primordial soup to randomly create organic molecules, and I’m 100% neither have you. Yet we know it can happen as we wouldn’t be have this conversation if it didn’t

 

[High Entropy]

And yet here we are, but we are somehow unique!

We are unique. There have been literally trillions of species in the only known habitable planet we know of that has life and only a single one of those trillions have had the intelligence to reach space and it took us thousands and thousands of years to develop this far.

We might be the only intelligent life in our galaxy, or in the nearest billion galaxies combined so rare an event might intelligent life be.

 

[Scorer]

We are unique. There have been literally trillions of species in the only known habitable planet we know of that has life and only a single one of those trillions have had the intelligence to reach space and it took us thousands and thousands of years to develop this far.

We might be the only intelligent life in our galaxy, or in the nearest billion galaxies combined so rare an event might intelligent life be.

It’s still a big number but there are “ only” estimated to have ever been 4 billion species, not trillions.

 

[citybythesea]

We are unique. There have been literally trillions of species in the only known habitable planet we know of that has life and only a single one of those trillions have had the intelligence to reach space and it took us thousands and thousands of years to develop this far.

We might be the only intelligent life in our galaxy, or in the nearest billion galaxies combined so rare an event might intelligent life be.

Of course there can’t be certainty in that statement. And The matter we are made of, that makes us is remarkably common throughout the cosmos. We connected to the cosmos at an atomic level.

 

[Behind Enemy Lines]

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