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VAR has ruined top level football.

Dustie said:
If it wasn’t a minow against a giant then there would have been no outrage and hot air over a correct decision.
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Have you genuinely watched the goal or zoomed in on the lines?

Had it been given, the word offside would not have been mentioned once
 

LDNCCFC said:
Like I said, look at foot of the United player


At least it's consistent with drawing a line on top of the United player like the original
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This might help. Thickness is done to help the viewing public and build a small margin. Thinning the lines makes it obvious.

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Personally I'd not be arsed if they scrapped it. Or built in more margins. But for people to say he was onside with the rules as they are are wrong. Simple as that.
 
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LDNCCFC said:
That's not the still used from the VAR team as the ball has effectively left his foot.

It's certainly clearer with the lines. I'd love to see the frame used by the officials using those fine lines.
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Someone else on here made a good point actually. We don't use arms/hand when judging offsides as a goal cannot be scored from using the hand. True. For the attacking team. But an own goal can be given if it goes in off a defenders arm or hand. I think they should include arm/hand of deepest defending team player. That would likely give a little more advantage to the attacking side too.
 
palm 1 said:
The genie is out the bottle now , there is no going back . Most of us wanted more tech in the game and those who say they didn't probably have selective memories.
Unfortunately we are stuck with it and have to remember next time we have some great ideas that if it isn't broken , don't fix it .
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I have to say that I never wanted VAR, I cited the fact that once you start measuring things microscopically you’re heading down the road to hell, looks like my thoughts were correct.
 
LDNCCFC said:
Have you genuinely watched the goal or zoomed in on the lines?

Had it been given, the word offside would not have been mentioned once
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Yes mate I was hoping it was going to be offside as soon as they scored as looked very tight.
 
Not sure about scrapping VAR altogether, there used to be some horrendous decisions that people could see were wrong a mile off but the ref somehow missed something. Think Maradona's goal in world cup quarters in mexico or something like that.

However its use to pull offsides down to the millimetre is just shite.

When it was proposed, it was only ever going to be used for clear and obvious errors.

So I think, if the ref or linesman makes a decision, and the VAR guys watching a replay can't immediately see it was wrong, without slow-mo or by drawing computer measurements, then just let the on-field decision stand.
 
It looked offside and was offside. Not hard to have looked across the line and and see where AWB is and hold yourself back a little, when you have mountains of space to run into anyway. It's tight but everything in life is fine margins.
ScottDuffman said:
Thats my biggest issue with it tbh. Massive goal at Wembley but as a fan you'd be frightened to celebrate in case it got chalked off.
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Don't think thats true like. Emotions take over not logic. Same as when fans celebrate goals before var to realise the linesman had his flag up
 
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Refs, 2 assistants, 4th official, Var squad , all on bloody good money.

Agents not the only ones raking money in. So keep it to prem only please if , and I expect it will, be kept.
 
Thatheaderman said:
Refs, 2 assistants, 4th official, Var squad , all on bloody good money.

Agents not the only ones raking money in. So keep it to prem only please if , and I expect it will, be kept.
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Yes, a nice little earner for doing a bad job. It also provides plenty of talking points for the likes of Sky and Talksport to use for days on end.

Media companies must love it for the amount of clicks, listens and views it generates.
 
dangermows said:
This might help. Thickness is done to help the viewing public and build a small margin. Thinning the lines makes it obvious.

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Personally I'd not be arsed if they scrapped it. Or built in more margins. But for people to say he was onside with the rules as they are are wrong. Simple as that.
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The argument is amounting to "VAR should be scrapped because the result would've made it a great giant-killing moment for the FA Cup."

No mention of VAR possibly allowing cup upsets like that to happen in the past or future, though.
 
SAFC11 said:
Don't think thats true like. Emotions take over not logic. Same as when fans celebrate goals before var to realise the linesman had his flag up
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It is true imo. If not the first time you experience a VAR decision live, then definitely after the first time it has gone against you.
 
taipeisafc said:
When they showed it on MOTD this morning (my time) it looked like his foot was ever so slightly infront of the offside line so he was offside. Interestingly without VAR they would have been all sorts of complaints after the fact about how the Cov player was offside and the mistake by the officials has cost ManU a place in the final. Damned if you do and damned if you don't.
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It’s the offside law that’s the main problem on this instance. As it stands the law is not fit for purpose. There was absolutely no advantage whatsoever to Wright and Coventry.

Offside was not introduced for this reason and all we are doing now is chalking off goals, and in this case the celebration and Memory of a lifetime, unnecessarily. I go back to Chelsea in 1992, our equivalent moment. I dare say VAR would find a way - somehow - to rule out Gordon Armstrong’s winner.

Change the law - must be clear daylight between attacker and last defender to be off. That would solve the problem.
 
Trauntrian said:
So I think, if the ref or linesman makes a decision, and the VAR guys watching a replay can't immediately see it was wrong, without slow-mo or by drawing computer measurements, then just let the on-field decision stand.
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Not a chance the football public and clubs would accept such 'inconsistencies'.

Literally whatever you try to implement will be slaughtered.
 
SAFC11 said:
Don't think thats true like. Emotions take over not logic. Same as when fans celebrate goals before var to realise the linesman had his flag up
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It's different when you celebrate for a few minutes, then realise VAR is checking it, then wait 3 minutes for a decision.

If a linesman had his flag up before VAR, it was dealt with immediately and it would only been some fans who didn't notice the flag, not your full support celebrating.
 
Hendon Mad Frog said:
Yes, a nice little earner for doing a bad job. It also provides plenty of talking points for the likes of Sky and Talksport to use for days on end.

Media companies must love it for the amount of clicks, listens and views it generates.
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Can you honestly conceive of a time in the future where there isn't outrage, fury and complete hysteria over the weekend's refereeing decisions.
 
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