Spirit of 37 - display v Newcastle

[woodlebert]

Oscar Chamberlain man.

I don't know him but I thought he came across a bit of a bell in the documentary

 

[Super Hodge]

Tell you what, I wouldn't mind the volunteers getting paid for the work they do as part of Spirit of 37. They should be paid an hourly rate given the hassle they receive and the benefit it brings the fans.

 

[Stormo]

He was the daft tw8t sat dressed as an Arab with Steve Wraith eating food for Arabic TV

You. Very. Popular. You. In. Evening. Chronicle.

Wraith man, cracks me up whenever I see owt about him.

 

[Skylon]

Exactly what they are saying. Mind NCSL1892 is a right weirdo he’s a Durham mag from Ferryhill best mates with Steve Wraith
Sure he was in Harry Potter

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Exactly what they are saying. Mind NCSL1892 is a right weirdo he’s a Durham mag from Ferryhill best mates with Steve Wraith
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'Throw me a frickin bone here' said Dr evil.

 

[Gilroy]

I don't know him but I thought he came across a bit of a bell in the documentary

He is. Very high opinion of himself.

Also purposely delays tweets although not sure what for. Did it for majority of signings, Neil & Mowbray. Some players had been here 2 days before announced online. Again, no idea why!

 

[DonaldDownTheWing]

He is. Very high opinion of himself.

Also purposely delays tweets although not sure what for. Did it for majority of signings, Neil & Mowbray. Some players had been here 2 days before announced online. Again, no idea why!

Suspect the Beale one is already been signed and they’re just waiting for people to calm down?

 

[Gilroy]

Suspect the Beale one is already been signed and they’re just waiting for people to calm down?

Probably. He did the same with both Neil & Mowbray. Probs for the same reasons.

 

[DonaldDownTheWing]

Probably. He did the same with both Neil & Mowbray. Probs for the same reasons.

Someone needs to tell him whether he announces it now or Christmas Day people aren’t going to have started liking him

 

[Dun Scathach]

Which constructive criticism have you offered that they've been unable to handle? I've always thought they've been alright.

You've got to remember that they're volunteering their own time to do this, and consistently get set back. It's not a paid job.

Other than the properly constituting it through a not for profit company and being open to financial transparency then nowt mate. Absolutely nowt.

No, I've taken on feedback from almost anyone.. except you. You've got an axe to grind and have since day 1 you prick

That’s the spirit.

 

[Get Into Em]

Other than the properly constituting it through a not for profit company and being open to financial transparency then nowt mate. Absolutely nowt.

How is that constructive criticism? I asked what constructive criticism you offered.

 

[Dun Scathach]

How is that constructive criticism? I asked what constructive criticism you offered.

I’m sorry you’ve lost me.

I’m making two suggestions, as above. They would be positive changes and intended to help

Do you know what constructive criticism means?

 

[Guinness Guzzler]

There are a few reasons I can’t, not least little available time and spending most of the year outside of the UK.

There’ll be a phenomenal skill set amongst the membership of this board for starters im sure.

Register a company as a not for profit, set up a bank account, appoint some directors/trustees, each of whom have some expertise or knowledge… Finance, marketing, fundraising, design, community engagement etc.

A group like this could become a central tenet of the clubs fan base. Would be fantastic. The club would want for that too.

Genuine question, do you know if any other flag/ atmosphere type groups are set up like that (wor flags and the likes)? I'm not saying it would be a bad idea, and would certainly give transparency, but equally with RAWA being a supporters trust I know there's quite a lot of admin etc to do (needing to have board meetings, AGMs, produce accounts etc.) and I'm not sure the lads at SO37 would want or have the time to go down that route.

As volunteers they must already spend ages working on designs, discussing upcoming displays, fund raising, liaising with the club (with everything that entails). You'd like to think that something along the lines of what they do (mainly raise money and produce displays and banners) could be done on trust without having to get bogged down in being a registered company.

None of the accusations against them seem to have any element of merit to them. All I've seen is a few people on twitter who don't understand that a lot of fund raisers will start with a minimum target and then raise the target as they go, with the aim of doing more if they get to the next level. For me it should be a passion project, a side hobby, and shouldn't need to involve setting up companies etc. just because a few people want to throw seemingly baseless accusations at them

 

[Get Into Em]

I’m sorry you’ve lost me.

I’m making two suggestions, as above. They would be positive changes and intended to help

Do you know what constructive criticism means?

You said you'd made constructive criticism in the past and they reacted poorly. I asked for an example so that I could see how they reacted. It's not hard, really.

I work for a charity. It's really not as simple as you describe to set up and run. If anything, specifically the finances behind it, it's a lot more dificult than running a normal organisation due to the tax implications. These lads all presumably have full-time jobs. Who's quitting their jobs to run the charity? Who are they paying to do the tax returns?

 

[Pants]

Had all kinds going on the last few weeks so I've completely missed all this. Am I right in thinking that KLD and the board have refused permission for an anti-sportswashing display?

If so, they need to fuck off out of my club. There's an illness in football these days and you can either fight it or help it.

 

[Guinness Guzzler]

Had all kinds going on the last few weeks so I've completely missed all this. Am I right in thinking that KLD and the board have refused permission for an anti-sportswashing display?

If so, they need to fuck off out of my club. There's an illness in football these days and you can either fight it or help it.

Aye, sounds like the SO37 lads produced a design for a display, the club (or people within) initially said it was good to go. Then they did the usual pulling the rug at the last minute

 

[Dun Scathach]

Genuine question, do you know if any other flag/ atmosphere type groups are set up like that (wor flags and the likes)? I'm not saying it would be a bad idea, and would certainly give transparency, but equally with RAWA being a supporters trust I know there's quite a lot of admin etc to do (needing to have board meetings, AGMs, produce accounts etc.) and I'm not sure the lads at SO37 would want or have the time to go down that route.

As volunteers they must already spend ages working on designs, discussing upcoming displays, fund raising, liaising with the club (with everything that entails). You'd like to think that something along the lines of what they do (mainly raise money and produce displays and banners) could be done on trust without having to get bogged down in being a registered company.

None of the accusations against them seem to have any element of merit to them. All I've seen is a few people on twitter who don't understand that a lot of fund raisers will start with a minimum target and then raise the target as they go, with the aim of doing more if they get to the next level. For me it should be a passion project, a side hobby, and shouldn't need to involve setting up companies etc. just because a few people want to throw seemingly baseless accusations at them

Nottingham Forests are a registered company, I believe Wor Flags/Hyem are too. At the minimum they are properly constituted.

I initially suggested something like a CIC because that’d guarantee the not for profit element of it and they could be fully transparent by reporting each year on their objectives.

Human nature dictates with people sadly, and I’d want to protect myself from any risk of accusation and the general propensity for people to sneer at trying to do something positive or constructive.

Having it properly constituted and financially transparent, shuts up the naysayers at the offset (I have at times been one, the initial response to the fire safety regs was pig ignorant and made me think someone competent needs to look out for them, rather than blindly cheer them on to trouble further down the line. Happy to put my hands up to that).

If it’s not a CIC, then there are tons of fan groups that are constituted, I’d go as far to guess the overwhelming majority, it’s the same process as you’d go through for a supporters association. Constitution, bank account, membership etc…

The Football Supporters Authority even have a guide to constituting online… Not for these lads though, they’d sooner avoid working around problems and instead just shout “Mag” at a club employee.

Maybe the issue historically has been that Tifo groups grew from the football casuals movement so some are shrouded in hard lad secrecy They tend not to work very well with their respective football clubs either.

Theres a choice to be made somewhere isn’t there?

You said you'd made constructive criticism in the past and they reacted poorly. I asked for an example so that I could see how they reacted. It's not hard, really.

I work for a charity. It's really not as simple as you describe to set up and run. If anything, specifically the finances behind it, it's a lot more dificult than running a normal organisation due to the tax implications. These lads all presumably have full-time jobs. Who's quitting their jobs to run the charity? Who are they paying to do the tax returns?

I’m not suggesting a charity.

There’s an abundance of professions and I’d be sure willingness amongst members of this board or within the supporter community. Plenty of other fan groups manage to do it and attract the skill set needed.

5p in every £1 donated covers administrative and organisation costs. That’s not unreasonable is it? It wouldn’t stop me from donating.

So long as I knew they were ran properly and open about it.

 

[Boris Bear]

Why not get a white surfer with a print of a cheque for £10k on it payable to KLD, returning his cash?

 

[The Town Hall Clock]

I think I might have an idea that the owner probably wouldn't like to cancel.

A great big rainbow gay flag, along with hundreds (or thousands) of gay flags for people to wave. In one section of the ground, with only those flags, nowt else. (You could do it in all 3 stands as far as I am concerned).

'Gays Rights For Saudi Arabia' written across the banner in huge letters.

Nobody likes stepping on minority causes and I doubt that Weasel would be any different. It's not really political, it's not Anti-Newcastle, but it would embarrass those Savages.

Probably a no, like....

Disclaimer, I've only had 3 pints and alcohol was not a factor in my thought process

 

[st joes lad]

So is there no display now for the Mags game

 

[10 Trenches Deep]

Had all kinds going on the last few weeks so I've completely missed all this. Am I right in thinking that KLD and the board have refused permission for an anti-sportswashing display?

If so, they need to fuck off out of my club. There's an illness in football these days and you can either fight it or help it.

When in years to come this whole period of the game if frowned on in shame, we, like everyone else, will have let the chance to do something pass us by meekly.