UFO's

[Andy Reids Pie Shop]

Exactly.
Just a few hundred years ago people were being imprisoned for saying the earth wasn't the centre of the universe. Would people who lived in ancient Britain believe something you can't even see could obliterate the whole planet (not that they realised they were on a planet). Current cutting edge science will be outdated in a few hundred years or even less.

What are the laws of nature though? The theories that the top physicists are producing blow my mind. We’re looking at it from an equivalent point of view of an apple dropping on Newton’s head. Physicists are now talking about multiverses, simulations etc

 

[High Entropy]

Tbf we also set them as well.

No we don't. We discover them, they were always there.
Yes, we still have lots to learn but UFO-ers just invoke this magical future based on some theoretical physicists idea of remote possibilities as if it's real.

Current cutting edge science will be outdated in a few hundred years or even less.

Yes you're right it will but a sun will always act like a sun, a blackhole will always act like a blackhole where all particles get torn apart and the distances between the stars will continue to get further and further apart, what is possible has to be within nature not "what if we could travel into a blackhole and out the other side, a wormhole through space" just because theoretically they may exist doesn't mean we have anyway of using them, it's for sci-fi writers and storytellers.

 

[bobster999]

There was another solar system discovered in the milky way the other day and it's 6 planets were all in unison

 

[gards2]

No we don't. We discover them, they were always there.
Yes, we still have lots to learn but UFO-ers just invoke this magical future based on some theoretical physicists idea of remote possibilities as if it's real.



Yes you're right it will but a sun will always act like a sun, a blackhole will always act like a blackhole where all particles get torn apart and the distances between the stars will continue to get further and further apart, what is possible has to be within nature not "what if we could travel into a blackhole and out the other side, a wormhole through space" just because theoretically they may exist doesn't mean we have anyway of using them, it's for sci-fi writers and storytellers.

UFO-ers? How disrespectful to the people who have researched, even been directly involved in an incident, ex forces etc What arrogance!

So they are what, crazy? I'm crazy because I don't dismiss their information?

"Take it outside, god-boy"
Simpons 1998

 

[High Entropy]

UFO-ers? How disrespectful to the people who have researched, even been directly involved in an incident, ex forces etc What arrogance!

So they are what, crazy? I'm crazy because I don't dismiss their information?

"Take it outside, god-boy"
Simpons 1998

Gimme one piece of non-terrestrial stuff, just one piece, alien-boy !

Or did every single crash landing of a UFO land (of the millions of square miles of the earth) always right next to a military base ?

 

[BigPete]

No we don't. We discover them, they were always there.

But we have our own view on them, what if we are wrong?

What if there are more we are unaware of at this point?

 

[gards2]

Gimme one piece of non-terrestrial stuff, just one piece, alien-boy !

Or did every single crash landing of a UFO land (of the billions of square miles of the earth) always right next to a military base ?

Unfortunately, I can't provide you with any physical evidence that Aliens have visited this planet.

 

[High Entropy]

But we have our own view on them, what if we are wrong?

We don't really have our own view of them, they are what they are, we simply describe them and we have more than one person looking at it, the scientific method is a very robust test.

What if there are more we are unaware of at this point?

Could be. Dark matter/dark energy makes up 95% of the universe, it is all around you right now but we can't really see it, hence it's name, only it's affects on matter we can see.

 

[gards2]

But we have our own view on them, what if we are wrong?

What if there are more we are unaware of at this point?

Well, humans have proved this time and time again throughout history. An unwillingess to accept the unknown, and that it is not understood, by us, according to our current understanding, Usually based on science or even worse, religious dogma or National propoganda.

It all comes down to senses, we can observe the universe, based on 'our' limitations

Imagine telling a shark to "fuckoff, you're full of shit, you couldn't possibly smell that blood from 10 miles away"
Or how about your dog, it senses and hears thing's we don't "Bollocks!!!!

Anyway back to the point, Have I seen Aliens? No, but I respect the experiences others have had, far more qualified than me.

 

[High Entropy]

Imagine telling a shark to "fuckoff, you're full of shit, you couldn't possibly smell that blood from 10 miles away"
Or how about your dog, it senses and hears thing's we don't "Bollocks!!!!

Imagine you are a 2 kilo lump of matter stuck in a dark sphere filled with fluid with absolutely the worst senses of all the mammals but still believing them as absolute fact, despite being smart enough to know their easily deceived !!!

 

[gards2]

Imagine you are a 2 kilo lump of matter stuck in a dark sphere filled with fluid with absolutely the worst senses of all the mammals but still believing them as absolute fact, despite being smart enough to know their easily deceived !!!

We don't have anything like that on Earth

 

[seaham ftm]

Almost certainly. But our galaxy is about 100,000 light years in diameter and we are about a quarter of that from the edge. Even if they travelled here at the speed of light they'd take 25,000 years to get here. If they had the technology to do that we'd be like chimps to them. Why would they even want to visit us ?

I’m not arguing for it against that. All I’m saying is with the numbers of planets out there you’d be a fool to say none of them had life (aliens) on them.

 

[hospitalball]

have they discovered dark matter yet,was an underground lab at boulby potash mine .been there years dont know if they have had any success.

 

[High Entropy]

We don't have anything like that on Earth

Ok, fellow 2kg lump of matter

I’m not arguing for it against that. All I’m saying is with the numbers of planets out there you’d be a fool to say none of them had life (aliens) on them.

I don't think anyone is arguing that there isn't life likely on other planets but grass is life.

I mentioned earlier, not only have there been billions of life forms on our own planet where only a single 1 achieved any degree of cognition but the obstacle to travel and even being within the same time frame over the last 10 billion years is huge - do you think those odds run close ??

 

[PinzaC55]

I’m not arguing for it against that. All I’m saying is with the numbers of planets out there you’d be a fool to say none of them had life (aliens) on them.

I doubt many people who actually think about anything would argue against life on other planets. But there's a lot who think that Star Trek is real life and it ain't so.
Fun fact ; the current fastest spacecraft, Deep Space 1 , travels at 56,000 Km/h. To travel to the nearest star past the Sun, Proxima Centauri , using DS1 would take 81,000 years. And the same to return.

 

[skullmeister]

I doubt many people who actually think about anything would argue against life on other planets. But there's a lot who think that Star Trek is real life and it ain't so.
Fun fact ; the current fastest spacecraft, Deep Space 1 , travels at 56,000 Km/h. To travel to the nearest star past the Sun, Proxima Centauri , using DS1 would take 81,000 years. And the same to return.

The ancient Egyptian's weren't able to reach the moon, it was incomprehensible, but under 5k or so years later people on earth had managed this.

The testimonies from expert witnesses are that at times these things are manoeuvring in ways that aren't currently possible from our current level of technology on earth.

 

[High Entropy]

The testimonies from expert witnesses are that at times these things are manoeuvring in ways that aren't currently possible from our current level of technology on earth.

Must be aliens then, can't be anything else.

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[MunkyHeed]

If UAP doesn't exist because 'Physics as we understand them today makes it impossible'

Why would a shit-ton of

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Is it coincidence that one of those trying to

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just happens to be personally financially backed by Lockheed Martin - widely believed to hold non-human tech, and is the representative for Wright-Patterson AFB, reportedly one of the locations where NHI/UAP is held?

"If there is nothing to hide and nothing to the UFO phenomenon, why would any member of Congress object to greater transparency and oversight of an executive branch prone to excessive and ?"

 

[skullmeister]

If UAP doesn't exist because 'Physics as we understand them today makes it impossible'

Why would a shit-ton of

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with constituencies, power, influence, pensions & respect risk losing it all by backing the inclusion of the

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?

Is it coincidence that one of those trying to

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just happens to be personally financially backed by Lockheed Martin - widely believed to hold non-human tech, and is the representative for Wright-Patterson AFB, reportedly one of the locations where NHI/UAP is held?

"If there is nothing to hide and nothing to the UFO phenomenon, why would any member of Congress object to greater transparency and oversight of an executive branch prone to excessive and ?"

It's people from the same family tree who ensured that the JFK assassination investigation had the outcome that it had despite the wealth of evidence saying otherwise, people were silenced then, permanently in some cases.

It was very interesting to hear the Republican Senator Tim Burchett make reference to the number of JFK documents still locked away when being interviewed about the UPA congressional hearing a few months back. There's an awful lot of time and steps being taken going into stopping information relating to nothing from being disclosed. As soon as he linked the two subjects in the same interview I thought this is going to get very messy.

 

[PinzaC55]

The ancient Egyptian's weren't able to reach the moon, it was incomprehensible, but under 5k or so years later people on earth had managed this.

The testimonies from expert witnesses are that at times these things are manoeuvring in ways that aren't currently possible from our current level of technology on earth.

The ancient Egyptians certainly existed , as did the Moon. The Laws Of Physics were in force but the ancient Egyptians didn't know how to use them to reach the Moon.

These "things" are unknown so you don't even know what they are , let alone that they are any form of technology. "Expert witnesses" are useless when they are talking about something that they don't know anything about.