ODI World Cup

[chunkyshanhawk53]

I don’t see the connection between the two as don’t see it relevant as other countries top players for example Klassen and Conway played in the hundred and have performed in this competition.

Klassen in particular has been superb in this tournament despite recently playing in the hundred

We all see it

 

[Voice of fair play]

We all see it

Stokes and Buttler and many others played little if any domestic 50 over cricket in the run up to 2019 and played superb.

The players need to take responsibility for not adapting from playing short format cricket to 50 over cricket like other top international players from the other countries have have rather than blaming one competition.

 

[chunkyshanhawk53]

Stokes and Buttler and many others played little if any domestic 50 over cricket in the run up to 2019 and played superb.

The players need to take responsibility for not adapting from playing short format cricket to 50 over cricket like other top international players have rather than blaming one competition.

I’m winding you up sorry

I’ll play nice

 

[Voice of fair play]

I’m winding you up sorry

I’ll play nice

Ok no bother mate, I rather debate politely that get into wind ups

Thought you would know that by now!

 

[Steak Pie]

Possibly not but at least Stokes was short so expect a pull, and Buttler a full ball to drive, Where Bairstow just a good back of a length ball no idea what he was trying to do with that shot.

Pull it to deep mid wicket which is a shot he plays often, looks like he rolled it and chipped it to mid on.

Buttler's is the worst of the lot for me, he does well to hit it at all from his set up. Truly awful shot.

Not that it matters I suppose.

Coach and captain have to go after this, it's been atrocious.

 

[PeteFTM]

Who/what could have made a difference.
Roy at the top
Jacks, Duckett, dawson, ahmed, Archer

Then on form
Bairstow, Root, Buttler, Livingstone, Woakes, Wood

Probably our worst world cup campaign ever

Small attacking left hand batsmen have done well this tournament, maybe Duckett should have been involved.

Considering the summer, we should have been opening with Crawley and Duckett as they were in form.

Playing Gus more would have helped.

Think Rehan would have been a good option to have, but would have made no difference today.

Telling Stokes to f*** off and that he can’t pick and choose when to play should have been our first action.

 

[Steak Pie]

Stokes and Buttler and many others played little if any domestic 50 over cricket in the run up to 2019 and played superb.

The players need to take responsibility for not adapting from playing short format cricket to 50 over cricket like other top international players from the other countries have have rather than blaming one competition.

The non test players did, 2018 Woody played for us and Morgan was the Middlesex captain.

Nobody really played in 2019 mind as the one day cup was over just after Easter and most of the them were at the IPL. Which is shit in itself.

I saw the stat before the Afganistan game that the England side had played 10 domestic 50 over games between them since the 2019 final, and 8 of those were Dawid Malan.

 

[Turner the Cat]

Small attacking left hand batsmen have done well this tournament, maybe Duckett should have been involved.

Considering the summer, we should have been opening with Crawley and Duckett as they were in form.

Playing Gus more would have helped.

Think Rehan would have been a good option to have, but would have made no difference today.

Telling Stokes to f*** off and that he can’t pick and choose when to play should have been our first action.

Just for his development, taking Rehan would have been good for me. He could be an England player for the next 15 years. Instead we've a squad most of which will play no part in the next world cup. A bit short sighted I think.

 

[Voice of fair play]

Pull it to deep mid wicket which is a shot he plays often, looks like he rolled it and chipped it to mid on.

Buttler's is the worst of the lot for me, he does well to hit it at all from his set up. Truly awful shot.

Not that it matters I suppose.

Coach and captain have to go after this, it's been atrocious.

Well yeah don’t disagree with any of that in the slightest.

Although Buttler definitely stays as a player without a shadow of a doubt for me

The non test players did, 2018 Woody played for us and Morgan was the Middlesex captain.

Nobody really played in 2019 mind as the one day cup was over just after Easter and most of the them were at the IPL. Which is shit in itself.

I saw the stat before the Afganistan game that the England side had played 10 domestic 50 over games between them since the 2019 final, and 8 of those were Dawid Malan.

Well yeah that has never been in doubt, but I imagine it will the same for the other top nations as rightly or wrongly the top international players are playing franchise tournaments around the world and not domestic 50 over matches so in that way we at no disadvantage to other nations.

They have adapted better and our players need to take responsibility for not doing soo and not hide behind any excuses whatsoever

 

[chunkyshanhawk53]

In terms of the squad, it was probably about right.

I don’t get Willey as a selection in the sub continent, but apart from that I couldn’t argue that much

It just seemed to get old very quickly

 

[Steak Pie]

Well yeah don’t disagree with any of that in the slightest.

Although Buttler definitely stays as a player without a shadow of a doubt for me

Well yeah that has never been in doubt, but I imagine it will the same for the other top nations as rightly or wrongly the top international players are playing franchise tournaments around the world and not domestic 50 over matches so in that way we at no disadvantage to other nations.

They have adapted better and our players need to take responsibility for not doing soo and not hide behind any excuses whatsoever

The difference is, I suppose, is now the fringe players won't either. In the past, if you weren't in the ODI team then you played domestic 50 over cricket.

With the 16.4 being played at the same time as the 50 over cup, the most talented players in the country are never going to play 50 over cricket. Ever.

The way 50 over cricket was murdered in this country after the 2019 final is absolutely criminal, we had a real chance to promote the game and we deliberately sabotaged it.

 

[Paddy O'Dors]

In terms of the squad, it was probably about right.

I don’t get Willey as a selection in the sub continent, but apart from that I couldn’t argue that much

It just seemed to get old very quickly

Plays in the IPL tbf.

 

[chunkyshanhawk53]

Plays in the IPL tbf.

True, but that’s a weird tournament for me. I never think it’s the very best players

 

[Voice of fair play]

The difference is, I suppose, is now the fringe players won't either. In the past, if you weren't in the ODI team then you played domestic 50 over cricket.

With the 16.4 being played at the same time as the 50 over cup, the most talented players in the country are never going to play 50 over cricket. Ever.

The way 50 over cricket was murdered in this country after the 2019 final is absolutely criminal, we had a real chance to promote the game and we deliberately sabotaged it.

Yeah I suppose tbf going forward in the longer term, it could be more of an issue for the reasons you have alluded too.

But don’t think it’s a reason to excuse the failure in this tournament as that would be excusing the players.

There have been soo bad and played so under they normal capabilities that I very much think your point earlier on in the thread about possible disharmony in the camp could be true.

I also think again rightly or wrongly 50 over cricket domestically has dramatically been downgraded worldwide with the raise of T20 and franchise leagues.

So where I of course agree it has been downgraded massively in this country, imo it very unfair to blame that solely on our administration when it has been a worldwide trend that was always going to happen again rightly or wrongly.

 

[Turner the Cat]

Yeah I suppose tbf going forward in the longer term, it could be more of an issue for the reasons you have alluded too.

But don’t think it’s a reason to excuse the failure in this tournament as that would be excusing the players.

There have been soo bad and played so under they normal capabilities that I very much think your point earlier on in the thread about possible disharmony in the camp could be true.

I also think again rightly or wrongly 50 over cricket domestically has dramatically been downgraded worldwide with the raise of T20 and franchise leagues.

So where I of course agree it has been downgraded massively in this country, imo it very unfair to blame that solely on our administration when it has been a worldwide trend that was always going to happen again rightly or wrongly.

I agree. Every other country has had limited 50 overs experience coming into this tournament.

Playing some 50 overs cricket could have helped us prepare better but when it comes down to it, the difference at this tournament is that every other country has adapted better to the demands of 50 overs cricket while we have been absolutely hopeless. We've been tactically inept and our decision making awful. We've approached games like t20 when 50 overs is a totally different type of game. Today we came in flashing it about when it wasnt that sort of wicket. It needed patience and a more conservative approach and we dont seem to know how to do that.

 

[Paddy O'Dors]

True, but that’s a weird tournament for me. I never think it’s the very best players

I bet he felt shit yesterday when they were announcing the central contracts that had been awarded and he was the only one in the squad who didn't get one. Who's decision was it to announce that in the middle of a tournament?

 

[Voice of fair play]

I agree. Every other country has had limited 50 overs experience coming into this tournament.

Playing some 50 overs cricket could have helped us prepare better but when it comes down to it, the difference at this tournament is that every other country has adapted better to the demands of 50 overs cricket while we have been absolutely hopeless. We've been tactically inept and our decision making awful. We've approached games like t20 when 50 overs is a totally different type of game. Today we came in flashing it about when it wasnt that sort of wicket. It needed patience and a more conservative approach and we dont seem to know how to do that.

Yeah absolutely spot on imo.

The confusion over selection has been astounding imo.

The side we picked for South Africa amazed me and showed the panic and lack of clarity of thought.

Is that down to Mott, Buttler or both.

No idea tbh

 

[leecoo]

I bet he felt shit yesterday when they were announcing the central contracts that had been awarded and he was the only one in the squad who didn't get one. Who's decision was it to announce that in the middle of a tournament?

Hussain,Cross and Ward were talking about it after the game, a really daft time to announce it especially as all in the squad did not get one. Also mentioned Willey was pee'd off at not getting one

 

[mackembhoy]

That's why it's hardly suprising, I don't think we realise just how good they were in their peak scoring 400 regulary for fun and which was unheard of and hasn't really happened since.
Arguably the finest ODI side of all time.

Hard to compare ODI eras. Were not the best side ever when the Aussies won 3 world cups on the trot and won 21 games in a row.

But we revolutionised the game in a way nobody else played it. Then arrogantly discarded that success. Blaming the schedule etc.(look how many ODIs they used to play)

We've won 32 percent of our games when you take our Ireland/Netherlands. Disgraceful for the champions that claim to the best.

 

[chunkyshanhawk53]

Is this going to be the close game?

Hendricks and Rabada miss out for SA. The SA batting in particular looks so deep