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Attendance Thread - Watford

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Hettonlass said:
41,992 Total Seats Made Available
41,781 Home Fans
2,474 Corporate
1,000 Away Fans (1955 Allocation)
Less c350 Blanked Out
44,905 Total
211 Available Seats For Sale
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Surely the 350 have now been sold?? Imagine the club announcing a sell out if they’ve left 350 tickets behind the goal unsold??

Also does this include P12 and P13??
seaham ftm said:
There isnt. When other clubs sell out it is around the given capacity figure. We have never been around 49,000. In the last 10 years. Party Due to the press box being moved. Saturday will be around 45.5 given Watfords unsold tickets and the front of the north stand upper not being used
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I know - but it’s wrong clearly. The Whole of the NSU holds 3000 (slightly less TBH). That includes the front 5 rows. Watford have sold about 1000 so there should only be 2000 empty seats in the ground. That even allows for segregation.
 
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Locke's SAFC said:
This makes no sense, mate.

Call it the P&L, the balance sheet, cashflow, or whatever you want to call it; but in the end you need to be able to pay for it.

A bit like you building a conservatory. You can only pay for it if you have the money now or you're expecting money in the future. Whether or not you call the means to pay my account, the joint account, or the money under the floorboards; doesn't matter one bit.

SAFC cannot afford to extend the stadium unless there is guaranteed income as a result to offset those costs/borrowings, and there isn't as it stands.
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That's why you use long-term external finance, where interest and capital repayments can be funded over an extended period of time from normal trading flows. Such finance can be rolled over more or less indefintely. It's exactly analogous to a mortgage, and is the way all clubs doing major work on the stadium have done it for years.
 
Hmmmmmm returns said:
Surely the 350 have now been sold?? Imagine the club announcing a sell out if they’ve left 350 tickets behind the goal unsold??

Also does this include P12 and P13??

I know - but it’s wrong clearly. The Whole of the NSU holds 3000 (slightly less TBH). That includes the front 5 rows. Watford have sold about 1000 so there should only be 2000 empty seats in the ground. That even allows for segregation.
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The capacity isn’t 49,000 :lol:
 
North Stand Upper holds 2,891 but when away clubs used to take full allocation in the Premier League Days they also got P26 and half of P24 in the NWU, They also got rows 3-5 of the bottom tier which gave them the 3,000 ish allocation.
 
Capacity for a game with segregation is about 48k, take off about 2+k empty seats (for various reasons) and sell-out will be about 45.5/46k. Suspect they'll unblock the 350 odd seats in lower bowl once tickets in concourse sold. I reckon about 600 seats therefore available before they declare a sell-out.
 
Johnny3773 said:
Capacity for a game with segregation is about 48k, take off about 2+k empty seats (for various reasons) and sell-out will be about 45.5/46k. Suspect they'll unblock the 350 odd seats in lower bowl once tickets in concourse sold. I reckon about 600 seats therefore available before they declare a sell-out.
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They could all go tomorrow.
 
Hmmmmmm returns said:
Insane really.
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The screen grab below is from the Reading game. When they released the South Stand blanked out seats on the day of the match. They newly available seats stand out like a sore thumb. There are numerous posts in the Thread of people saying "1 seat available in X Stand" or similar.
If they had unblocked these seats in one go someone would have noticed it happening. They might do so in the morning as they would appear to have run out of "upstairs" tickets.
But if they do release them it won't increase the Tracker numbers it will just do away with Hetton's "Blocked Out" 350.
 

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The screen grab below is from the Reading game. When they released the South Stand blanked out seats on the day of the match. They newly available seats stand out like a sore thumb. There are numerous posts in the Thread of people saying "1 seat available in X Stand" or similar.
If they had unblocked these seats in one go someone would have noticed it happening. They might do so in the morning as they would appear to have run out of "upstairs" tickets.
But if they do release them it won't increase the Tracker numbers it will just do away with Hetton's "Blocked Out" 350.
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Yeah. I really don’t know why they’ve not been put on sale. It’s our home end. Why have segregation??
 
Grumpy Old Man said:
capital repayments can be funded over an extended period of time from normal trading flows.
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SAFC don't have 'normal trading flows' to pay for it.

Have you seen SAFC's accounts?

You've simply repeated what I said in the last post and termed it 'long term finance/capital payments' or whatever it was.

In simple terms, SAFC do not have the 'trading flows' to repay financing.

A bit like you borrowing money to pay for a swimming pool when all of your income is already committed to bills and the like.
 
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Grumpy Old Man said:
That's why you use long-term external finance, where interest and capital repayments can be funded over an extended period of time from normal trading flows. Such finance can be rolled over more or less indefintely. It's exactly analogous to a mortgage, and is the way all clubs doing major work on the stadium have done it for years.
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Can’t see a few Beyoncé concerts funding a new stand
 
Hmmmmmm returns said:
Surely the 350 have now been sold?? Imagine the club announcing a sell out if they’ve left 350 tickets behind the goal unsold??

Also does this include P12 and P13??

I know - but it’s wrong clearly. The Whole of the NSU holds 3000 (slightly less TBH). That includes the front 5 rows. Watford have sold about 1000 so there should only be 2000 empty seats in the ground. That even allows for segregation.
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NSU has approx 3,600 seats. Watford have sold 800 of them. So 2800 will be empty

48300 less 2800 empty is circa 45,500.
 
There is absolutely zero need for increasing the size of the stadium for football matches at this current time or any credble foreseeable football situation.

If we were promoted its likely we will lose a lot more games and crowds would settle at about 44k.

Only if we progressed to being top 4 and baked in top 4 for years would it make any sense at all.

History in my lifetime tells us we are more likely to be in League 1 than 7th.

For football the stadium is too big for 90% of situations including relatively successful ones.

And if we ever did become genuinely successful then you could extend with confidence and have the money to pay for It.

Talk of extending the stadium for football is totally pointless.

For concerts we could have more seats.

But do you really want to rattle around in an even bigger stadium for the match just so that 6 concerts a year are bigger.

The whole idea is completely stupid in my opinion.
 
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