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Argentina 🇦🇷 v Saudi Arabia 🇸🇦 FIFA World Cup kick 10:00 ITV1 • ITVX • STV • STV Player


joebolton said:
So if we win our group we are now in the pot with France and Argentina for the next 2 rounds yes ?
And 2nd in our group goes in with maybe Saudi, Holland and Denmark ?
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Doesn't really matter tbh, we have nothing to fear from any of the teams that have featured so far.
 
I am Boss said:
:lol:

Yemeni genocide, the most extreme human right violations on their own civilians & Iran shooting it's own civilians every day not meet your criteria?
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The world should take action if that's the case. I don't think the Saudis have actually invaded anyone or threatened to nuke everyone though ?
dangermows said:
As long as we don't repeat everything he once said.
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Yes I remembered what he said about Marcel dear.
 
Bristol City said:
Chairman of Fifa's referees committee Pierluigi Collina confirmed last week that fourth officials had been instructed to keep track of time lost during the game during the tournament in Qatar, something they had also tried to do at the previous World Cup in Russia in 2018.

"In Russia, we tried to be more accurate in compensating for time lost during games and that's why you saw six, seven or even eight minutes added on," he told reporters at a pre-tournament briefing.

"Think about it: if you have three goals in a half, you'll probably lose four or five minutes in total to celebrations and the restart."

The result of this new approach was a number of records being broken
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I think the ball is on average in play for something daft like 55-60 minutes in
Premier League games. If that translates to international games, we should be seeing 30-35 minutes added time in most games. We're being short changed, ha, ha.
 
ksafc77 said:
What?
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You're doing the thing that Mags do. Offering completely false equivalences to try and justify the Saudi regime.

It's how sportswashing works. I didn't realise it initially and couldn't work out how bringing more of a spotlight on their regime with their investment in the sporting world would work favourably for them. But seeing how armies of fans fall over themselves to try and call out tenuous examples of hypocrisy I am starting to get it.

The idea is that soon nobody will criticise the Saudis as they have a Disney subscription or they live in a country that committed atrocities or was a bit backwards in its attitudes numerous decades ago. To do so would be hypocritical and therefore maybe the Saudis aren't so bad afterall.
 
Howard the Duck said:
You're doing the thing that Mags do. Offering completely false equivalences to try and justify the Saudi regime.

It's how sportswashing works. I didn't realise it initially and couldn't work out how bringing more of a spotlight on their regime with their investment in the sporting world would work favourably for them. But seeing how armies of fans fall over themselves to try and call out tenuous examples of hypocrisy I am starting to get it.

The idea is that soon nobody will criticise the Saudis as they have a Disney subscription or they live in a country that committed atrocities or was a bit backwards in its attitudes numerous decades ago. To do so would be hypocritical and therefore maybe the Saudis aren't so bad afterall.
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I’m not trying to justify it. I completely disagree with it but I don’t understand how people want Saudi banned but the Uk and US are fine even though both governments support Saudi and still commit numerous atrocities in the Middle East. I don’t understand how that’s a tenuous example of hypocrisy. I think it’s a bit ridiculous to say what the UK and US did is a false equivalence to what Saudi is doing in Yemen which Uk and US both back. If you want Saudi banned then we should be banned too.
 
Howard the Duck said:
You're doing the thing that Mags do. Offering completely false equivalences to try and justify the Saudi regime.

It's how sportswashing works. I didn't realise it initially and couldn't work out how bringing more of a spotlight on their regime with their investment in the sporting world would work favourably for them. But seeing how armies of fans fall over themselves to try and call out tenuous examples of hypocrisy I am starting to get it.

The idea is that soon nobody will criticise the Saudis as they have a Disney subscription or they live in a country that committed atrocities or was a bit backwards in its attitudes numerous decades ago. To do so would be hypocritical and therefore maybe the Saudis aren't so bad afterall.
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Logical fallacy, tu quoque, ad hominem and possibly a small bale of straw man tempered by steel man, Howy, la. In this here post-truth world, they abound....
 
ksafc77 said:
I’m not trying to justify it. I completely disagree with it but I don’t understand how people want Saudi banned but the Uk and US are fine even though both governments support Saudi and still commit numerous atrocities in the Middle East. I don’t understand how that’s a tenuous example of hypocrisy. I think it’s a bit ridiculous to say what the UK and US did is a false equivalence to what Saudi is doing in Yemen which Uk and US both back. If you want Saudi banned then we should be banned too.
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And Khashoggi's murder and their involvement in 9/11 and throwing homosexuals off buildings and so on and so on....? They should be international pariahs. Unfortunately money talks

Having said that, I probably wouldn't advocate banning them from competing in the World Cup but I sure as fuck wouldn't be going about speaking in their defence and wouldn't entertain for a second them hosting it in eight years which is what this is all building towards.
 
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