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Mogga's last stand

The problem is with this ownership that any replacement will yet again be out of work and cheap. They’re not going to be paying compensation or big salaries. We know that already. They got lucky with Neil and he came to us not the other way around. This bloke is starting to look like the Parky of the Championship. Lots of experience in the league but no real success to speak of in it.
 

Rokerdog1 said:
99% of this board were delighted with the team he picked. Get a grip. We are going to have a bad performance every now and then.
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Looked a bit soft to me mind.

Matters not though, the point is a that a massively experienced coach chose to field an out of form twenty year old with a tendency to lose the ball in dangerous areas and an exceedingly lightweight new recruit who'd barely been introduced to the team at the heart of our midfield. Poor old bugger must have overdosed on the biscuits.
 
Shirley Shammel said:
The problem is with this ownership that any replacement will yet again be out of work and cheap. They’re not going to be paying compensation or big salaries. We know that already. They got lucky with Neil and he came to us not the other way around.
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Exactly.

The ‘model’ is all about developing young players and hopefully selling them on to get the biggest profit possible.

Any manager would have to fit the profile of having experience and success in developing young players, while also being out of work and willing to accept modest wages.

I don’t imagine Mowbray will be under any pressure anytime soon but let’s say he was sacked - who on earth would you get to replace him that fits the model ?

I’ve seen Dyche, Wilder and others touted already - absolutely no chance.

Alex Neil was only employed because he was desperate to get back into management and we’d become a laughing stock having messed around in an unsuccessful attempt to get Roy Keane.

Neil didn’t fit the model at all, in fact there was a warning of what was to come in terms of a vastly different outlook when he almost immediately dropped Doyle and Neil and replaced them with experienced players.

We wouldn’t have got out of L1 if we stuck rigidly to the ‘model’ and we won’t get anywhere near promotion from this league if we persevere with it now.

Mowbray needs to use all of his experience to sit Speakman down before January and tell him in no uncertain terms that we need a couple of experienced players in to help the young squad. If that means we have to actually spend money on a transfer fee then so be it.
 
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I agree with the majority of comments that what is being served up is absolutely dire. Yesterday was basically 11 names “go out and do your best”, there was no plan or system and we were very lucky that we were not being trounced by half time. Saying “ we had a few set pieces” , wonder if he realises, we are the only team not to have scored from a set piece this season. At least Neil had a strategy and a plan having watched videos of the opposition and set out his stall on the basis of what he had seen. Yesterday was a total “scattergun approach”, with a shocking outcome. The owner and his team say he was the best applicant out of a 1000, no he was out of work, lived in the area, cheap, and does what he is told. We need correct the wrongs quickly or we will be in deep shit.
 
Chewit said:
Statistics!
Just remind us who we bought and for how much.
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It’s on transfer market mate but we certainly paid good money for Ballard and Clarke going by all public reports. And to a lesser extent Ba, Bennett and Alese considering they are unproven youngsters.

Add in loaning a player who Man Utd paid over 35 million for and a player from PSG who was getting first team games under Poch (5 in the league last season) and I don’t see how anyone can say that lacks ambition for a newly promoted club.

Infact I’d say being the 3rd highest spenders in the league once you remove relegated premier league teams is pretty unprecedented for a club promoted from League 1.
 
Shirley Shammel said:
The problem is with this ownership that any replacement will yet again be out of work and cheap. They’re not going to be paying compensation or big salaries. We know that already. They got lucky with Neil and he came to us not the other way around. This bloke is starting to look like the Parky of the Championship. Lots of experience in the league but no real success to speak of in it.
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Neil hasn't achieved anymore than Mowbray in the league.
 
Alfa said:
Exactly.

The ‘model’ is all about developing young players and hopefully selling them on to get the biggest profit possible.

Any manager would have to fit the profile of having experience and success in developing young players, while also being out of work and willing to accept modest wages.

I don’t imagine Mowbray will be under any pressure anytime soon but let’s say he was sacked - who on earth would you get to replace him that fits the model ?

I’ve seen Dyche, Wilder and others touted already - absolutely no chance.

Alex Neil was only employed because he was desperate to get back into management and we’d become a laughing stock having messed around in an unsuccessful attempt to get Roy Keane.

Neil didn’t fit the model at all, in fact there was a warning of what was to come in terms of a vastly different outlook when he almost immediately dropped Doyle and Neil and replaced them with experienced players.

We wouldn’t have got out of L1 if we stuck rigidly to the ‘model’ and we won’t get anywhere near promotion from this league if we persevere with it now.

Mowbray needs to use all of his experience to sit Speakman down before January and tell him in no uncertain terms that we need a couple of experienced players in to help the young squad. If that means we have to actually spend money on a transfer fee then so be it.
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We’ll not get a proper manager under this model. It would have to be a head coach whose happy to work under Speakman. Essentially a yes man (or someone who toes the line) or someone desperate to get back into the game as you said.

As I’ve said many times if you were Alex Neil, having just got us promoted would you be taking instruction off someone who’d only ever managed Birmingham’s academy for buttons? No, you would not. Hence we no longer have Alex Neil. But fuck Alex Neil of course. We must not forget that. ;)
 
Shirley Shammel said:
We’ll not get a proper manager under this model. It would have to be a head coach whose happy to work under Speakman. Essentially a yes man (or someone who toes the line) or someone desperate to get back into the game as you said.

As I’ve said many times if you were Alex Neil, having just got us promoted would you be taking instruction off someone who’d only ever managed Birmingham’s academy for buttons? No, you would not. Hence we no longer have Alex Neil. But fuck Alex Neil of course. We must not forget that. ;)
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Brentford managed to get Thomas Frank in the championship under a similar model. He hasn't done too bad has he?
 
Mowgli said:
Brentford managed to get Thomas Frank in the championship under a similar model. He hasn't done too bad has he?
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Well actually they didn’t. He only joined them as an assistant to Dean Smith and was then promoted from within. It’s like saying we’ve got ready made replacements in Proctor and Dodds sitting there once Mogga goes. I have a sneaky feeling that that particular model may fail.
 
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Shirley Shammel said:
Well actually they didn’t. He only joined them as an assistant to Dean Smith and was then promoted from within. It’s like saying we’ve got ready made replacements in Proctor and Dodds sitting there once Mogga goes.
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Proctor and Dodds had never managed a top flight team in any league before coming to Sunderland, or any team for that matter!

Prior to joining Brentford, Frank had managed Brondby in the Danish premier league for 3 years as well as the Danish national team at various levels up to U19 iirc
 
Karlsson said:
Proctor and Dodds had never managed a top flight team in any league before coming to Sunderland, or any team for that matter!

Prior to joining Brentford, Frank had managed Brondby in the Danish premier league for 3 years as well as the Danish national team at various levels up to U19 iirc
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His quote was that “Brentford managed to get Thomas Frank under a similar model” though when they didn’t. They did not recruit him as their manager/head coach.
 
Safc98 said:
He’s doing class at the minute is Alex
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He’s inherited the equivalent of the Sunderland 2017 team though. A squad of over paid mercenaries. He’d be doing better here than Mowbray is I reckon. On the field he was suited to Sunderland. With the fans he was suited to Sunderland. With the ownership and Speakman he was not suited to Sunderland sadly.
 
Shirley Shammel said:
He’s inherited the equivalent of the Sunderland 2017 team though. A squad of over paid mercenaries. He’d be doing better here than Mowbray is I reckon. On the field he was suited to Sunderland. With the fans he was suited to Sunderland. With the ownership and Speakman he was not suited to Sunderland sadly.
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He, and many of our fans, decided he had better resources at Stoke than Sunderland. He’s failing miserably. As soon as he lost a few games here, people would be saying the same. It’s the Sunderland way to want a manger punished with the sack every few months
 
Shirley Shammel said:
His quote was that “Brentford managed to get Thomas Frank under a similar model” though when they didn’t. They did not recruit him as their manager/head coach.
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I was referring to your comparison to us appointing Dodds and Proctor as ‘ready made replacements’.

My point was you can’t compare the two scenarios given Frank’s previous managerial experience and the aforementioned two’s lack of.
 
samsafc said:
What is it with fans like you?
Not a single fan would have swapped Neil for Mowbray at the time. However, we all got behind him and probably got into a false support/hope when he was appointed and rightly so.
He had a decent start, but ever since then been it has been shit. We all got behind him, we all support the team, but he isn’t and never will be the right appointment. Imo he is f***ing shit.
It’s not cos of a defeat, if we all look from an outside perspective we are worse off with Mowbray than Neil
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The question is. What is it with fans like you?

Get behind the team ffs, we are playing best football for about a decade with a young squad.

Try keeping your pants dry and see how that feels :lol:
 
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