Players time wasting

[Southcoast Mackem]

The one that gets me is the fake head injury , lots of players doing that this year

Been happening for years. Slightest of touches from someone's arm and they then touch their head and look at their hand to see if there's any blood on it! Ridiculous

 

[Twisted]

I’d love to see a keeper given a yellow for time wasting. Then another when he continues to do it.

Patterson got booked last game and he wasn't anywhere near as bad as others in that game or burnley. their CF who headed a clearance when we were trying to take a free kick ffs. every f***ing throw in. although tbf some of our players i noticed were kicking and throwing balls away before a set piece when we were chasing the game... it needs to be stamped out of the game it's become so normalised now. boils my piss

 

[1879]

i agree with this and i've said it for a few years. every move the football establishment makes is for the benefit of TV audiences and subsequent media frenzy over every incident in every game. clcikbait articles about which ex-footballer said what about certain games/clubs/players, transfer business speculation, diving and cheating, poor referees, the absurdity of VAR and the insistence by those in the media that its good for the game, time wasting, inconvenient kick off times.... the list is endless...

but one thing that never gets a thought in all this is the actual match going fans.

the time wasting by players, the breaks in play, VAR, diving, constant stop start, feigning injuries... it all just makes it even shitter for the fans at the ground... there will be a tipping point where people start to not bother going as much, or not being as up for the game, not celebrating goals properly and the generational ties of grandfather - dad - son - grandson going to games over decades will be broken and once thats gone, it'll never return

I know we haven't got VAR yet at sunderland but i've been noticing loads in the past few seasons how much time we spend at the stadium, 40,000 of us, just watching a player decide to sit down on the grass during the game, pretend he's hurt, have the game stopped, physios run over, waste a few minutes, stand up and pretend to hobble and wince in pain, then run it off like real warrior. i don't spend my hard earned money and limited free time to go to the ground to watch grown men do this several times every game.. i want to watch football.

i think my days of following sunderland home and away for decades will come to an abrupt halt one day when i finally snap and run onto the field when a player is feigning injury and volley the bastard straight in the face then chin the ref

Yep, all in all modern football is pretty shit. As you say every rule change or decision made now seems to benefit the very top teams to remain there or for TV audiences.

I actually watch very little live TV on football (refuse to pay for the likes of Sky who in my opinion have helped ruin the game) for now though, I still enjoy my Saturday’s going although appreciate the match going supporter will become a dying breed ad the game continues to eat itself with greed.

 

[tunstallhill]

Yep, all in all modern football is pretty shit. As you say every rule change or decision made now seems to benefit the very top teams to remain there or for TV audiences.

I actually watch very little live TV on football (refuse to pay for the likes of Sky who in my opinion have helped ruin the game) for now though, I still enjoy my Saturday’s going although appreciate the match going supporter will become a dying breed ad the game continues to eat itself with greed.

i normally watch the sunday afternoon game and it just bores me now. every goal that goes in, you see the players celebrating and fans jumping around but the TV immediately goes to every angle of replay and commentators desperately looking for a reason to rule out the goal 'oh, was there a suggestion of handball there, was their a possibility offside, was that a foul in the build up' and you know that VAR are checking it to try and rule it out, and the commentators and TV audiences all suddenly become sherlock holmes and arguing over whether there was any slight hint of rule breaking to give the whole spectacle extra drama (that isn't needed) and the fans in the ground don't have a clue any of it is going on

the mags spurs game yesteday, 2 of the 3 goals had lengthy VAR checks. the ref had an unimpeded close up view of the first one and decided no foul. so that should be that. the second one, it was impossible to tell if it brushed off the other lad before kane knocked it in, so no need to check it. just get on with the game. but no, 3 and 4 minute stoppages with endless slow motion replays. the game will be ruined in a few years time

 

[dcl0sc]

All Ref's have to say is "This is your first and final warning" then book them straight away if they do it again.

 

[Matnab]

it was impossible to tell if it brushed off the other lad before kane knocked it in

The trouble is that if any angle had picked up a touch it would have caused carnage post match as it would've gone down as 'clear and obvious'. They had to make absolutely certain that a touch couldn't be detected.

 

[Bonzo]

Sin bin instead of yellow cards should do the trick.

 

[smokeyorange]

The Wigan manager was clearly instructing his team to slow the game for throw-ins.

I think they should book the team captain for time wasting, then send the captain off if it happens again.

 

[Left Half]

Ultimately fans are being robbed by time wasting. Time wasting equates to skiving whilst taking our hard earned cash. Referees don’t seem to care.

 

[tunstallhill]

The trouble is that if any angle had picked up a touch it would have caused carnage post match as it would've gone down as 'clear and obvious'. They had to make absolutely certain that a touch couldn't be detected.

but they didn't. i was watching live and if i recall correctly there was only two angles they could use. one from behind the goal, and one to the side looking across the goal mouth. you could see after 5 seconds, one replay of each angle, that there wasn't clear contact with the ball (you still can't tell 100% either way by the way) so what was the point in replaying it 20 times and taking 3 or 4 minutes out of the game? 5 seconds is all it took for every person watching the replays to say 'no clear and obvious error'. simple.

VAR could have checked it whilst the players were still celebrating with the fans and by the time they got back into position to restart the game the VAR check should be well and truly over and the game carries on. but it doesn't. they need to creat this massive drama and suspense for the TV audience, its a load of shite.

 

[Voice of fair play]

It’s a impossible situation if people want VAR scrapped then they have to accept imo that mistakes will be made, mistakes that seem obvious after replays that were not with one look.

Trouble is all people involved in football including fans don’t and didn’t accept these mistakes.

People can’t have it always, they was nothing wrong with football before and ref mistakes were part and parcel of the game.

However people twisted and twisted again and clearly continue to twist in leagues without VAR as this board proves every week.

People and fans don’t actually want VAR, however at the same time they expect them not to make a fair proportion of mistakes despite all known evidence pointing to the fact they will

 

[Mowgli]

It’s a impossible situation if people want VAR scrapped then they have to accept imo that mistakes will be made, mistakes that seem obvious after replays that were not with one look.

Trouble is all people involved in football including fans don’t and didn’t accept these mistakes.

People can’t have it always, they was nothing wrong with football before and ref mistakes were part and parcel of the game.

However people twisted and twisted again and clearly continue to twist in leagues without VAR as this board proves every week.

People and fans don’t actually want VAR, however at the same time they expect them not to make a fair proportion of mistakes despite all known evidence pointing to the fact they will

Can refs not do their job and issue cards for time wasting? Including a 2nd yellow and a red like they're scared too?

The powers that be should issue a reasonable time allowed after that it's a yellow

 

[Matnab]

The powers that be should issue a reasonable time allowed after that it's a yellow

This is the problem. You simply can not enforce a law when there is literally no guidance around the difference between 'not rushing' and 'time wasting'. I've seen players being subbed walking off the pitch with the whole ground seething that he's 'timewasting'. The laws of the game don't specify.

 

[Voice of fair play]

Can refs not do their job and issue cards for time wasting? Including a 2nd yellow and a red like they're scared too?

The powers that be should issue a reasonable time allowed after that it's a yellow

With respect mate you looking at things far to black and white and of course nothing wrong with what you say in principle.

But in reality it’s totally different the very moment a red issued the team who it happens to including our fans would go on ridiculous and actually criticize him for doing it, pointing at previous incident the previous week or earlier in the game.

Years ago they were incidents that were not yellow cards, refs were encouraged to give yellows for them same incidents and what happened they criticized even more, not praise for been tougher.


If you think fans would be pleased keepers or players of their team were penalized for time wasting it simply would happen.

You would get the old bullshit, that has happened since time begin, ‘ he as only booked him because it’s the small club’

‘ he will not book him he plays for Man United’ etc etc.

Most of decisions are down to interpretation and even when they not like taking your shirt off which is clear for all concerned refs still were getting criticized for that.

 

[Mowgli]

With respect mate you looking at things far to black and white and of course nothing wrong with what you say in principle.

But in reality it’s totally different the very moment a red issued the team who it happens to including our fans would go on ridiculous and actually criticize him for doing it, pointing at previous incident the previous week or earlier in the game.

Years ago they were incidents that were not yellow cards, refs were encouraged to give yellows for them same incidents and what happened they criticized even more, not praise for been tougher.


If you think fans would be pleased keepers or players of their team were penalized for time wasting it simply would happen.

You would get the old bullshit, that has happened since time begin, ‘ he as only booked him because it’s the small club’

‘ he will not book him he plays for Man United’ etc etc.

Most of decisions are down to interpretation and even when they not like taking your shirt off which is clear for all concerned refs still were getting criticized for that.

Book them all after the alotted time and I wouldn't complain whatsoever. Including if it was Patterson.

You're talking cobblers, it wouldn't be intepretation at all. You have x amount of time, go over and its a yellow card.

Even your ref defending mates on here have said refs don't do enough with time wasting.

 

[CW7]

Easy win for the cheats that one. What's the ref supposed to do?

Tell them to leave the field as its all about player welfare, pass a concussion test, min 10 mins off field, meanwhile your team is down to 10! May or may not work, give it a try i say!

 

[Voice of fair play]

Book them all after the alotted time and I wouldn't complain whatsoever. Including if it was Patterson.

You're talking cobblers, it wouldn't be intepretation at all. You have x amount of time, go over and its a yellow card.

Even your ref defending mates on here have said refs don't do enough with time wasting.

If you make it straightforward just for keepers say from just from a goal kick and only that? and they only allowed 10 seconds before booking and ref started a stopwatch when ball went out it could work.

I agree with you for the specific example above.

My point was more of a general one for example players going down injured which would be impossible to tell if genuine or not

 

[tunstallhill]

If you make it straightforward just for keepers say from just from a goal kick and only that? and they only allowed 10 seconds before booking and ref started a stopwatch when ball went out it could work.

I agree with you for the specific example above.

My point was more of a general one for example players going down injured which would be impossible to tell if genuine or not

i've thought about this one before, with regards to players feigning injury, and there is no obvious answer. however, a player rolling around on the floor for 2 or 3 minutes, then getting treatment from a physio, then 2 minutes later runnning around completely uninjured is taking the piss out of the ref, the game and the fans. i'd like to see some form of maximum time you are allowed to sit down on the pitch, before its an automatic substitution. say 30 seconds.

if the player is still down after 30 seconds then he must be substituted. if he isn't severely injured, then he has 30 seconds to get off the side of the pitch and get treatment, then he can return to game when the ref signals him on. if you have no substitutions left, then you go down to 10 men just as if he was actually injured an unable to continue, which is not uncommon.

i'm making it sound a lot simpler than it is, but we kind of have a process in place for this already.

Book them all after the alotted time and I wouldn't complain whatsoever. Including if it was Patterson.

You're talking cobblers, it wouldn't be intepretation at all. You have x amount of time, go over and its a yellow card.

Even your ref defending mates on here have said refs don't do enough with time wasting.

i think you'd struggle to define it as a lot of the time the ball gets hoyed back on the pitch miles away from the keeper, who then slowly walks over the retrieve it and slowly takes it to the opposite side of the box to take the GK. its happened for decades that. i guess you could define it as as soon as the keeper has the ball in his possession, the clock starts. and if he goes over, not a yellow card, but an indirect free kick to the opposition on the edge of the 6 yard box

 

[L1lyBrown]

Some yellow cards should be team yellow cards.
2nd yellow card for time wasting regardless of which player should be a red.
Standing next to a free kick should be an automatic team yellow and the ball be moved 10 yards further and defenders have to be 20 yards from the revised position.

 

[Matnab]

With respect mate you looking at things far to black and white and of course nothing wrong with what you say in principle.

But in reality it’s totally different the very moment a red issued the team who it happens to including our fans would go on ridiculous and actually criticize him for doing it, pointing at previous incident the previous week or earlier in the game.

Years ago they were incidents that were not yellow cards, refs were encouraged to give yellows for them same incidents and what happened they criticized even more, not praise for been tougher.


If you think fans would be pleased keepers or players of their team were penalized for time wasting it simply would happen.

You would get the old bullshit, that has happened since time begin, ‘ he as only booked him because it’s the small club’

‘ he will not book him he plays for Man United’ etc etc.

Most of decisions are down to interpretation and even when they not like taking your shirt off which is clear for all concerned refs still were getting criticized for that.

I wish some fans would put themselves in the refs shoes at a neutral game and imagine the torrent of grief and abuse that they'd get within 5 minutes.