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Put a flat earthier into space

No.
I'm provided stories of what you and others proclaim to be proof, yet you do it by relying on the storytellers and not direct proof from yourselves.
Saying it many times does not offer proof unless you can offer it. Otherwise, we are arguing/debating those stories based on how we perceive things to be and this is exactly where we are and why this debate rumbles on.

The thing is I've listened and better listened and went over many many times, many things to do with a spinning globe and so-called space as we are told and all the shenanigans that come with it. It hasn't been a 5-minute job and it didn't stem from here, so offering what you have means absolutely nothing, and offering it in all kinds of different formats to get to the same conclusion still means nothing.

Not at all.

I'm doing just fine.
I could actually offer the very same to you but it then becomes a teet for tat and goes nowhere.

Of course, it is, to you.
You are 100% global minded so absolutely anything I say that even remotely offers anything aside that is deemed nuts and a whole variety of nothings. I get it and I accept it from the side you take as I do with others who follow that set path.

What is the evidence?

Is evidence a truth?
What variations of evidence make a truth?

When does evidence become absolute proof?

There are answers in all of those and to know then would be to understand that we are and still will be in a debate and likely always.
And that is it, you wave everything away as a “very nice story”.

Take your claim that pressure and air density makes objects fall to the floor. The atmosphere decides to arrange itelf into stacks and the pressure difference squeezes objects down. I chose to examine this. Realising that you could not have a stacked atmosphere in a turbulent environment I pointed out that is exactly what I have in my data centre and so I positioned pressure sensors top and bottom. The readings said no difference, equal pressure in the room.

Here was clear evidence that what you said was wrong and your idea needed some revising. It feels logical that you can’t have a stack of layers if you have grates in the floor blasting up air and taking readings proved it.

You claimed the sensors were wrong. So I swapped them over, same readings. Then you claimed I was wrong or a liar. Granted you have absolutely no reason to trust me but here was yet another example where you eventually said “nice story” and moved on.

It demonstrates that you will never never listen to anything on here that goes against your religious belief.
 

No.
I'm provided stories of what you and others proclaim to be proof, yet you do it by relying on the storytellers and not direct proof from yourselves.
Saying it many times does not offer proof unless you can offer it. Otherwise, we are arguing/debating those stories based on how we perceive things to be and this is exactly where we are and why this debate rumbles on.

The thing is I've listened and better listened and went over many many times, many things to do with a spinning globe and so-called space as we are told and all the shenanigans that come with it. It hasn't been a 5-minute job and it didn't stem from here, so offering what you have means absolutely nothing, and offering it in all kinds of different formats to get to the same conclusion still means nothing.

Not at all.

I'm doing just fine.
I could actually offer the very same to you but it then becomes a teet for tat and goes nowhere.

Of course, it is, to you.
You are 100% global minded so absolutely anything I say that even remotely offers anything aside that is deemed nuts and a whole variety of nothings. I get it and I accept it from the side you take as I do with others who follow that set path.

What is the evidence?

Is evidence a truth?
What variations of evidence make a truth?

When does evidence become absolute proof?

There are answers in all of those and to know then would be to understand that we are and still will be in a debate and likely always.

The answer is toward the end of this post.
 
Well I did mention the equinox and how to see the effect in plenty of time before the previous one, you rejected it without consideration. There's another in about two weeks. You could see it for yourself if you wanted to. But you don't.
What are you offering as your own proof that this equinox is down to a spinning globe?
It's not a story. It's a real and visible effect which can be easily explained on a globe in orbit, but impossible on your dome.
A real and visible effect of what? This is the question.
You say it's a visible effect of the sun over a spinning globe leaving an equal dark to light on both halves of a globe. Why should this be?
 
My evidence has absolutely no merit to those who refuse to think outside of the global indoctrinated belief system. I get it, as I've repeatedly said and will say as many times as I think warrants it.

If you think I have nothing then your argument with me would be better off ceasing. However, I genuinely believe that quite a few people on here have their interest peaked.

The debate rolls on because as much as people like yourself try your best to brush aside anything against a globe you also have nothing to back it up except for massive appeals to authority.
It's not a dig, it's the nature of the beast within us to follow a trait, basically.

Nobody's interest is piqued. (The word isn't "peaked", it's "piqued".)

There's no debate.

There's the status quo, and there's you failing to prove the status quo is wrong.

That isn't a debate, it's someone who's wrong and won't accept it.
What are you offering as your own proof that this equinox is down to a spinning globe?

A real and visible effect of what? This is the question.
You say it's a visible effect of the sun over a spinning globe leaving an equal dark to light on both halves of a globe. Why should this be?

See here, from about halfway through the post you keep ignoring
 
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popped in and out of this thread, so excuse me if its already been asked.

Why are the powers that be telling us its a globe if its not?

We have the moon missions, mars missions, Hubble telescope, the list goes on, it would cost a fortune to fake all this, why are they doing it?

If the world is flat and it is a dome, why is the population being deceived what's the reason, what the end game for deceiving us?
 
And that is it, you wave everything away as a “very nice story”.
That's basically what they are to me. Just stories without proof and it's the same for you but you accept them as proof without actually knowing the truth.
Take your claim that pressure and air density makes objects fall to the floor. The atmosphere decides to arrange itelf into stacks and the pressure difference squeezes objects down. I chose to examine this. Realising that you could not have a stacked atmosphere in a turbulent environment I pointed out that is exactly what I have in my data centre and so I positioned pressure sensors top and bottom. The readings said no difference, equal pressure in the room.
A stacked atmosphere compared to a room is massively different.
Why do you think a room can offer you the same setup as a stacked atmosphere, I don't know but maybe that's because you failed to get what I was saying.


I'll make this simple.
You can accept the atmosphere is denser at sea level than atop a mountain, fair enough?
You can massively measure this by the body alone but gauges of varying setups can do a visual job.

In your room, you can also understand that any heat generated in that room will rise to the top of it, fair enough.
This means you should be able to get that at floor level it's going to be denser. Still stacked but hardly noticeable due to the small area and height.

No matter what happens your atmosphere is always stacked. It has to be.
Offering turbulence to that room obviously shakes up any stack but then again the stack is always under movement by expansion and contraction and neither can work without the other.

Here was clear evidence that what you said was wrong and your idea needed some revising.
Not at all.
As for revising, I think lots of stuff requires that. Not every answer will be correct and finding that happy medium may never be fully known.
It feels logical that you can’t have a stack of layers if you have grates in the floor blasting up air and taking readings proved it.
As I said above.
Offering a force to the stack creates a shake-up but this has to happen in all things and ways for anything to actually function.
You claimed the sensors were wrong.
No, I didn't. I failed to see your argument because there wasn't one and I told you so. Just like I'm telling you now.
So I swapped them over, same readings. Then you claimed I was wrong or a liar.
I never called you a liar. It seems you want to use this as some kind of dig to gain some kind of advantage. It means nothing but you carry on using it if you feel it suits your argument.
Granted you have absolutely no reason to trust me but here was yet another example where you eventually said “nice story” and moved on.
I have no more reason to trust you than you have of me or anyone in this forum or anyone, anywhere.
Trust is what?
Trust doesn't offer someone a truth, it simply offers someone a comfort blanket from someone they believe is truthful, not necessarily that they are or are always truthful.
It demonstrates that you will never never listen to anything on here that goes against your religious belief.
I always take in what's said. Agreeing with it when I have alternate theories is not something that is going to be readily accepted just as I do not accept your religious beliefs you do not accept what you think are mine. This is why the debate rumbles on and the majority against the minority does not offer an end product to a debate unless one side can accept the potential and even then it still begs questions until there is a real end product of proof.
We are at loggerheads with this, hence why this is ongoing.
 
What are you offering as your own proof that this equinox is down to a spinning globe?

A real and visible effect of what? This is the question.
You say it's a visible effect of the sun over a spinning globe leaving an equal dark to light on both halves of a globe. Why should this be?
No. You'remissing vital pieces of information and need to see them for yourself. Otherwise it's an appeal to authority no? It's not just about equal light and dark, it's also a out the shadows, or do they suddenly not exist too?
What are you offering as your own proof that this equinox is down to a spinning globe?
It's called thinking.
 
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popped in and out of this thread, so excuse me if its already been asked.

Why are the powers that be telling us its a globe if its not?
Maybe the idea is that the Earth is explored and there's little left to explore.
Maybe humans do not actually run the show.
There's a myriad of answers that anyone could go with and all may be wrong but maybe one may be right.

We have the moon missions, mars missions, Hubble telescope, the list goes on, it would cost a fortune to fake all this, why are they doing it?
We have star trek and star wars and Buck Rodgers in the 25th century, plus flash Gordon and moonraker, plus space 1999 and so many more to choose from.

What would cost a fortune to fake any more than what it costs to offer us a film of fiction?

If the world is flat and it is a dome, why is the population being deceived what's the reason, what the end game for deceiving us?
Good question.
Maybe real paradise is out there on this Earth and we don't get to be part of it and our paradise is an expensive holiday in another area that offers more warmth or sand or a different variation of culinary cultures that people have to work hard for to get a week or two, sampling what they think is their paradise.

Let's be fair. How many of us gasp at the beauty of a ground-out canyon?
How many of us gasp at a dug-up common of mud and rock?

Imagine if there was stuff out there that would make us see our lives as being nothing more than caged animals scratting and fighting over scraps of land.

Nuts, right?
 
No. You'remissing vital pieces of information and need to see them for yourself. Otherwise it's an appeal to authority no? It's not just about equal light and dark, it's also a out the shadows, or do they suddenly not exist too?

It's called thinking.
Can you admit you do not know the reality other than what's told to you?
Of living on a globe in orbit around the sun
How is it real to you? Honest reason.
 
Good question.
Maybe real paradise is out there on this Earth and we don't get to be part of it and our paradise is an expensive holiday in another area that offers more warmth or sand or a different variation of culinary cultures that people have to work hard for to get a week or two, sampling what they think is their paradise.

Let's be fair. How many of us gasp at the beauty of a ground-out canyon?
How many of us gasp at a dug-up common of mud and rock?

Imagine if there was stuff out there that would make us see our lives as being nothing more than caged animals scratting and fighting over scraps of land.

Nuts, right?
😂😂😂
 
That's basically what they are to me. Just stories without proof and it's the same for you but you accept them as proof without actually knowing the truth.

A stacked atmosphere compared to a room is massively different.
Why do you think a room can offer you the same setup as a stacked atmosphere, I don't know but maybe that's because you failed to get what I was saying.


I'll make this simple.
You can accept the atmosphere is denser at sea level than atop a mountain, fair enough?
You can massively measure this by the body alone but gauges of varying setups can do a visual job.

In your room, you can also understand that any heat generated in that room will rise to the top of it, fair enough.
This means you should be able to get that at floor level it's going to be denser. Still stacked but hardly noticeable due to the small area and height.

No matter what happens your atmosphere is always stacked. It has to be.
Offering turbulence to that room obviously shakes up any stack but then again the stack is always under movement by expansion and contraction and neither can work without the other.


Not at all.
As for revising, I think lots of stuff requires that. Not every answer will be correct and finding that happy medium may never be fully known.

As I said above.
Offering a force to the stack creates a shake-up but this has to happen in all things and ways for anything to actually function.

No, I didn't. I failed to see your argument because there wasn't one and I told you so. Just like I'm telling you now.

I never called you a liar. It seems you want to use this as some kind of dig to gain some kind of advantage. It means nothing but you carry on using it if you feel it suits your argument.

I have no more reason to trust you than you have of me or anyone in this forum or anyone, anywhere.
Trust is what?
Trust doesn't offer someone a truth, it simply offers someone a comfort blanket from someone they believe is truthful, not necessarily that they are or are always truthful.

I always take in what's said. Agreeing with it when I have alternate theories is not something that is going to be readily accepted just as I do not accept your religious beliefs you do not accept what you think are mine. This is why the debate rumbles on and the majority against the minority does not offer an end product to a debate unless one side can accept the potential and even then it still begs questions until there is a real end product of proof.
We are at loggerheads with this, hence why this is ongoing.
Yes, air is denser at sea level than on a mountain top. Gravity does that. We can measure the pressure difference and verify the denser air.

Like you say yourself, turbulent air will shake up a stack and change the pressure levels around the room.

Yet drop an object which is not going to be affected much by air currents, say a heavy rubber ball (rather than a feather or bit of paper) and it will fall at exactly the same rate as it will in a very calm still environment or as it will in a near vacuum. Changing the atmosphere and pressure differences makes absolutely no difference. Objects to not fall because of a stacked atmosphere.

Look at your own reasoning, you say yourself above the stacks can't be maintained in certain circumstances but stick religiously to the fallacy that it makes things go to the floor.

Then of course there is evidence. If the pressure was different top to bottom then my sensors would detect it. Pressure just doesn't work like that in enclosed spaces, like @taipeisafc (who works with pressure designing pumps and related things for a living). You chose to ignore this because it goes against your religion. The world you have created fails on basic tests, but you wave away the evidence of that, same as you wave away any evidence of reality as a "nice story". It is so sad you can not see yourself doing this and are becoming more and more trapped in a fantasy of your own creation, seeing lies and conspiracy on the outside. It worries me how conspiracy theorists get into this mindset.
 
Can you admit you do not know the reality other than what's told to you?

How is it real to you? Honest reason.
I admit that I have checked out what has been offered and have through my own observation and rational thinking confirmed that we are on a globe in orbit around the Sun. I'm fairly certain that you have the ability to do the same, the problem is that you do not want to.
 
Yes, air is denser at sea level than on a mountain top. Gravity does that. We can measure the pressure difference and verify the denser air.
Gravity does not exist to do anything.

Like you say yourself, turbulent air will shake up a stack and change the pressure levels around the room.
And this is always happening in the stacking system.
Yet drop an object which is not going to be affected much by air currents, say a heavy rubber ball (rather than a feather or bit of paper) and it will fall at exactly the same rate as it will in a very calm still environment or as it will in a near vacuum.
No, it won't. It may appear to but it will never happen.
If you want to bring up that big supposed vacuum chamber with the big lifting boom as your proof then don't expect me to see it as being legitimate because I don't.

In a low-pressure environment, it will certainly offer much much less resistance to any object whether it's a feather or a ball but it'll never offer any exact fall.

Changing the atmosphere and pressure differences makes absolutely no difference. Objects to not fall because of a stacked atmosphere.
Objects cannot fall unless energy is applied to place an object into a stacking. That energy reply from that dense object cannot be achieved unless the applied energy that placed it in that stacking, is removed. It then has a push-on-push fight with its own dense mass pushing it into the stacking above and that stack pushing it back to overcome the resistance of each stack below.
Look at your own reasoning, you say yourself above the stacks can't be maintained in certain circumstances but stick religiously to the fallacy that it makes things go to the floor.
Stacking is always maintained, it's just never uniform. It's always under vibration due to expansion and contraction.

Pressure just doesn't work like that in enclosed spaces, like @taipeisafc (who works with pressure designing pumps and related things for a living).
Pressure works against anything placed into whatever environment as an object's displacement of the atmosphere.
You chose to ignore this because it goes against your religion.
I'm far from ignoring it.
The world you have created fails on basic tests, but you wave away the evidence of that, same as you wave away any evidence of reality as a "nice story".
We'll have to agree to disagree.
It is so sad you can not see yourself doing this and are becoming more and more trapped in a fantasy of your own creation, seeing lies and conspiracy on the outside.
Maybe it's not just down to my fantasy, maybe the fantasy is already in play and shown as a reality from a story whilst hidden behind a cloak.
It worries me how conspiracy theorists get into this mindset.
No need to worry. It's not hard to see why anyone would question stuff when you consider the people out there who do the stuff they do to the general public.
 
I admit that I have checked out what has been offered and have through my own observation and rational thinking confirmed that we are on a globe in orbit around the Sun. I'm fairly certain that you have the ability to do the same, the problem is that you do not want to.
Checked out, as in how?
My interest 'peaked' when your claimed to have evidence of your 'musings'.
Then failed repeatedly to provide any.
Big mistake Nukey. You outed yourself as a sad, lieing WUM.


In my opinion, of course.
Feel free to have whatever opinion you see fit about me.
 
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