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Put a flat earthier into space


The Snockerty Friddle said:
So if someone else establishes a fact, I can not then state that as a fact in debate unless I go through the entire process too?
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Absolutely, as long as you know it to be a fact.
If you cannot prove it to be a fact but say you do know it as a fact then you either prove it or accept the other party has every right to dismiss it or question it and not have to accept what you say.


On the flip side, someone can accept your story as fact and they can use it to relay that to someone else, in which case they are appealing to authority (you) and expecting the person they tell to also accept what they accepted as their fact, from you. Also, appeal to authority.
If you started that story on your own then you are obliged to back up what you say or claim what you say is based on your theory and isn't actually something you can actually physically prove.

As long as you don't offer something as factual then nobody can expect you to offer physical proof, obviously.

It all comes down to whether you can offer logical reasoning that the other party can be left to ponder over, then it comes down to a choice to take whatever side offers the most reasonable outcome.
The Snockerty Friddle said:
OR

Are we just being redirected into a different area to avoid something you no longer want to discuss?
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I'll discuss anything.
Just remember that many of you don't make something factual and do not ever be under any assumption that I'll follow a party line I do not believe to be using facts.

It's your choice whether you want to deal with me and your choice in what way you feel comfortable dealing with me. I'm just me and I'll take whatever comes my way no matter what is used to twist or deflect.
 
Nukehasslefan said:
Absolutely, as long as you know it to be a fact.
If you cannot prove it to be a fact but say you do know it as a fact then you either prove it or accept the other party has every right to dismiss it or question it and not have to accept what you say.


On the flip side, someone can accept your story as fact and they can use it to relay that to someone else, in which case they are appealing to authority (you) and expecting the person they tell to also accept what they accepted as their fact, from you. Also, appeal to authority.
If you started that story on your own then you are obliged to back up what you say or claim what you say is based on your theory and isn't actually something you can actually physically prove.

As long as you don't offer something as factual then nobody can expect you to offer physical proof, obviously.

It all comes down to whether you can offer logical reasoning that the other party can be left to ponder over, then it comes down to a choice to take whatever side offers the most reasonable outcome.

I'll discuss anything.
Just remember that many of you don't make something factual and do not ever be under any assumption that I'll follow a party line I do not believe to be using facts.

It's your choice whether you want to deal with me and your choice in what way you feel comfortable dealing with me. I'm just me and I'll take whatever comes my way no matter what is used to twist or deflect.
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you are insane. fact
 
payne said:
It's a mental way to view things.
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You have a choice to take what's told you by what you believe is an authority...as truth or you can question it. You seem to choose the former and I understand why.

1. Majority is easier and much much more comfortable to follow.
2. Authority and mainstream ideals are much easier to accept regardless of whether there is a truth knowable from them.
3. It can offer anyone a pedestal in their mind that they feel is much higher than any pedestal a minority opposing debater stands on.
 
Nukehasslefan said:
You have a choice to take what's told you by what you believe is an authority...as truth or you can question it. You seem to choose the former and I understand why.

1. Majority is easier and much much more comfortable to follow.
2. Authority and mainstream ideals are much easier to accept regardless of whether there is a truth knowable from them.
3. It can offer anyone a pedestal in their mind that they feel is much higher than any pedestal a minority opposing debater stands on.
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What about the quote where you said you had done superfluid experiments.......we still haven't cleared that one up
 
Nukehasslefan said:
Absolutely, as long as you know it to be a fact.
If you cannot prove it to be a fact but say you do know it as a fact then you either prove it or accept the other party has every right to dismiss it or question it and not have to accept what you say.
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So if someone sent a so called satellite into so called space and took a picture of the so called globe... that only counts as proof if you watched them build and launch the satellite, flew into space with it, and took the picture yourself?
 
Nukehasslefan said:
You have a choice to take what's told you by what you believe is an authority...as truth or you can question it. You seem to choose the former and I understand why.

1. Majority is easier and much much more comfortable to follow.
2. Authority and mainstream ideals are much easier to accept regardless of whether there is a truth knowable from them.
3. It can offer anyone a pedestal in their mind that they feel is much higher than any pedestal a minority opposing debater stands on.
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You actually think you're wise and some sort of open minded sage, don't you. It's funny and worrying in equal measure.
The Snockerty Friddle said:
So if someone sent a so called satellite into so called space and took a picture of the so called globe... that only counts as proof if you watched them build and launch the satellite, flew into space with it, and took the picture yourself?
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That's the long and short of it. I'm going to build a rocket in the back garden using superfluid 4 star petrol and blast into the some.
 
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payne said:
You actually think you're wise and some sort of open minded sage, don't you. It's funny and worrying in equal measure.

That's the long and short of it. I'm going to build a rocket in the back garden using superfluid 4 star petrol and blast into the some.
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Wasn't there a flat earther who was building his own rocket to prove the earth was flat?

Don't think it ever took off mind :lol:
 
has anyone on here been into space and looked at earth? , no they havent

only a literal handful of people ever to have lived have done so - we have to trust these are all truthful people
 
BigPete said:
Wasn't there a flat earther who was building his own rocket to prove the earth was flat?

Don't think it ever took off mind :lol:
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He did take off. He went 1800 foot

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according to authority wiki it says he's dead.

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Nukehasslefan said:
You have a choice to take what's told you by what you believe is an authority...as truth or you can question it. You seem to choose the former and I understand why.
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What you choose to believe in has no bearing whatsoever on what is actually true.

The problem is, people are not simply appealing to authority. Plenty of people are capable of thinking for themselves and making observations and reasoned decisions. You seem unable or unwilling to credit them with this.

Plenty have given their reasons for believing we live on a globe. Plenty have given reasons and simple observations you could make if you chose to, while you have given two things, (water level and pinpoint scope views) both of which disprove your own claims.
 
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