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Football Insider say it's Mowbray.

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The Good Sir said:
He won't challenge anyone man. He'll be back sitting with his mates, expecting us all to celebrate a mid table season and season - and the worst thing is, some actually will. Then he'll do the same next season. He's been at one big club in his career, celtic, and failed dismally.

There isn't a club in the lower have of the championship that he wouldn't go to. He's not some of of coup, or statement signing, he's a plodder who will see us plodding
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when we are prob in the bottom 3 or near there anyway.. come the end of today im sure youl take a mid table plodder..
 
Rokeroar said:
I think the real issue for a lot of fans is he’s over 50, and not very sexy😂.
It’s all about the image in some people’s eyes.

So would you not take a mid-table finish then?
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Mid table is the absolute minimum we should be aiming for. A couple decent signing, and the right forward thinking coach and there's absolutely no reason we should be around the playoffs. Norwich and Sheffield United are meant to be 2 of the top sides in this division and I seen absolutely no reason to fear them. Spent most of the SU match with 10 men, and had the AN fallout for Norwich and on other days we still could have beat them both
 
The Good Sir said:
He won't challenge anyone man. He'll be back sitting with his mates, expecting us all to celebrate a mid table season and season - and the worst thing is, some actually will. Then he'll do the same next season. He's been at one big club in his career, celtic, and failed dismally.

There isn't a club in the lower have of the championship that he wouldn't go to. He's not some of of coup, or statement signing, he's a plodder who will see us plodding
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The expectation under Neil was a mid table finish this season...as well as possibly for the next few...

Seems to be a lot of bashing the bloke because he's not a young unheard of/trendy/overseas type or a Sean Dyche.

Apparently us wanting championship consolidation for a couple of years after the ****show of the last 5 years is shocking :lol:.

We are at least 3-5 years away from the Premierleague man.
 
The Good Sir said:
Mid table is the absolute minimum we should be aiming for. A couple decent signing, and the right forward thinking coach and there's absolutely no reason we should be around the playoffs. Norwich and Sheffield United are meant to be 2 of the top sides in this division and I seen absolutely no reason to fear them. Spent most of the SU match with 10 men, and had the AN fallout for Norwich and on other days we still could have beat them both
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Mid table would be a brilliant finish man. We’ve just been promoted
 
The Good Sir said:
Mid table is the absolute minimum we should be aiming for. A couple decent signing, and the right forward thinking coach and there's absolutely no reason we should be around the playoffs. Norwich and Sheffield United are meant to be 2 of the top sides in this division and I seen absolutely no reason to fear them. Spent most of the SU match with 10 men, and had the AN fallout for Norwich and on other days we still could have beat them both
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I would settle for mid-table, but agree that we could possibly challenge for the play-offs.
But why can’t Mowbray do that?
He did with Blackburn last season.
Im not saying he’s the best manager in the world, Im not saying he’s a better manager than the Snake. I just think he could be a good fit for us, and could take us to where we want to go this season.
 
Howard the Duck said:
But surely you can see how he fits well to what we’re trying to achieve here with his reputation for developing young players and a willingness to carry a squad full of them?

It’s quite clearly not simply that he is available and knows Harvey, there’s far more rationale than that and he has decent synergies with the club’s core strategy.

I had my heart set on Manning so I’m not exactly delighted but I think it’s unfair to suggest this is only an appointment of convenience.
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Howard the Duck said:
He's got a reputation for developing and bringing through young players and having a willingness to carry a squad full of them. How is that not in keeping with the club's much stated core strategy?
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@Maravilla @Sea to Shining Sea

I think you’ve missed my respective questions to you both.

I’m asking you as, although I often don’t agree with what you’re saying, I think you’re reasonable posters able to put forward a coherent argument and I’m intrigued as to how you reconcile your opinion of Mowbray having nothing that suits him to the club’s much vaunted model with the fact he now has a reputation for playing, bringing through and developing young players and squads which has been stated as one of the primary objectives of the model.

I’m trying to understand how you can dismiss the appointment as lazy, convenient or scattergun when the synergy is so obvious to me.
 
I think people need to remember where we are as a club and where we have been the previous 4 seasons, don’t get me wrong Tony Mowbray isn’t my choice but he’s perfect for the next manager to cement our place in this league, just look at his 5 years at Blackburn it’s similar to our story! League one club then got them to championship then got them to 8th in his last season 6 points off the play offs building year on year developing players along the way!
 
rubberface said:
Mental that, when he has obviously been told he is the coach last Saturday, took training yesterday and not to be in the stands? Strange.
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Surely after being rudderless for the Doncaster and Cheltenham defeats in FEB lesson was learnt, top will have TM in place? We cant waste 3 points and we need to break our duck at home.

The Friday morning positive leaks on our signings being done for the French lad and Brighton CH which have now faltered needs to be addressed and get the 3-4 in the door 1 or 2 of which need to be experienced IMO. Get TM in and let recruitment crack on!
 
Howard the Duck said:
@Maravilla @Sea to Shining Sea

I think you’ve missed my respective questions to you both.

I’m asking you as, although I often don’t agree with what you’re saying, I think you’re reasonable posters able to put forward a coherent argument and I’m intrigued as to how you reconcile your opinion of Mowbray having nothing that suits him to the club’s much vaunted model with the fact he now has a reputation for playing, bringing through and developing young players and squads which has been stated as one of the primary objectives of the model.

I’m trying to understand how you can dismiss the appointment as lazy, convenient or scattergun when the synergy is so obvious to me.
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If I’ve said he has nothing that suits him then I may overstated the point because I think you could probably point to any manager who has had a nigh on 20 year career and say they’ve developed youth at some point. The same arguments were made for Lee Johnson and I wasn’t convinced of those either. If either of those candidates had delivered some form of success with genuinely youthful sides I might be convinced of this but I can’t imagine a single poster, prior to Lee Johnson or Tony Mowbray links to SAFC, identifying either of those as coaches with a really good reputation for developing young players and achieving success with them.

The main reason I think it is a marriage of convenience is because it’s a third consecutive appointment that fits the bill. It’s the third manager we’ve appointed that had recently left mid-table championship clubs and who were readily available. I don’t think any of these appointments have been carefully selected candidates that are a product of good, data informed, succession planning (as Speakman has claimed is in place). That’s supposedly the model across all departments of the club and I’m just not convinced.

I’ll ask a question (albeit it’s hypothetical), if Tony Mowbray was still employed by Blackburn, do you think we’d have approached them to enquire about his availability because we’d identified him in succession planning?
 
chunksafc said:
Reports this morning that TM is trusted by all the big boys to develop their younger players, putting a positive spin on this, maybe him being appointed will help us get more in?
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Well, he had Harvey Elliott and Tosin Adarabioyo on loan at Blackburn last season, and seems to have very good relations with Liverpool and City. Also had van Hecke from Brighton.
 
HoxtonMackem said:
The expectation under Neil was a mid table finish this season...as well as possibly for the next few...

Seems to be a lot of bashing the bloke because he's not a young unheard of/trendy/overseas type or a Sean Dyche.

Apparently us wanting championship consolidation for a couple of years after the ****show of the last 5 years is shocking :lol:.

We are at least 3-5 years away from the Premierleague man.
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My feeling exactly marra
 
Howard the Duck said:
@Maravilla @Sea to Shining Sea

I think you’ve missed my respective questions to you both.

I’m asking you as, although I often don’t agree with what you’re saying, I think you’re reasonable posters able to put forward a coherent argument and I’m intrigued as to how you reconcile your opinion of Mowbray having nothing that suits him to the club’s much vaunted model with the fact he now has a reputation for playing, bringing through and developing young players and squads which has been stated as one of the primary objectives of the model.

I’m trying to understand how you can dismiss the appointment as lazy, convenient or scattergun when the synergy is so obvious to me.
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His reputation for working with young players is definitely one big plus point but on the whole I think it just smacks of a stopgap appointment which goes completely against the clubs alleged long-term model. Did a canny job with Blackburn but his record suggests that he's at best a mid-table Championship manager, which on paper isn't a bad appointment at all for a club who have only just come up from League One but there's a definite ceiling as to what he's realistically likely to achieve here whereas I'd have much preferred us to go with a young, up-and-coming coach who could potentially grow with us. I can understand the argument about getting a young coach in being too much of a risk at this time but going with a so-called safe pair of hands hasn't really worked for us in the past.

My initial comparison with Parkinson is probably a tad harsh in terms of how they each see the game but feels like a similarly deflating appointment to me. Hopefully he proves me wrong.
 
tim27w said:
Surely after being rudderless for the Doncaster and Cheltenham defeats in FEB lesson was learnt, top will have TM in place? We cant waste 3 points and we need to break our duck at home.

The Friday morning positive leaks on our signings being done for the French lad and Brighton CH which have now faltered needs to be addressed and get the 3-4 in the door 1 or 2 of which need to be experienced IMO. Get TM in and let recruitment crack on!
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Dragging our feet again when everyone knows its Mowbray. May aswel have announced it after the game on Saturday and crack on with signings.
Maravilla said:
His reputation for working with young players is definitely one big plus point but on the whole I think it just smacks of a stopgap appointment which goes completely against the clubs alleged long-term model. Did a canny job with Blackburn but his record suggests that he's at best a mid-table Championship manager, which on paper isn't a bad appointment at all for a club who have only just come up from League One but there's a definite ceiling as to what he's realistically likely to achieve here whereas I'd have much preferred us to go with a young, up-and-coming coach who could potentially grow with us. I can understand the argument about getting a young coach in being too much of a risk at this time but going with a so-called safe pair of hands hasn't really worked for us in the past.

My initial comparison with Parkinson is probably a tad harsh in terms of how they each see the game but feels like a similarly deflating appointment to me. Hopefully he proves me wrong.
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Great post mate👏👏
 
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The Good Sir said:
Mid table is the absolute minimum we should be aiming for. A couple decent signing, and the right forward thinking coach and there's absolutely no reason we should be around the playoffs. Norwich and Sheffield United are meant to be 2 of the top sides in this division and I seen absolutely no reason to fear them. Spent most of the SU match with 10 men, and had the AN fallout for Norwich and on other days we still could have beat them both
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Well apart from the fact they both beat us ..........................................
HoxtonMackem said:
The expectation under Neil was a mid table finish this season...as well as possibly for the next few...

Seems to be a lot of bashing the bloke because he's not a young unheard of/trendy/overseas type or a Sean Dyche.

Apparently us wanting championship consolidation for a couple of years after the ****show of the last 5 years is shocking :lol:.

We are at least 3-5 years away from the Premierleague man.
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This, This and Oh This
 
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