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Football Insider say it's Mowbray.

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Grumpy Old Man said:
No, I wouldn't. If we sold him for £15m I'd be OK with it. It's just that, having done some proper research, I have no problems with Mowbray coming in at a time when we need stability and consolidation.
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Simply not in a position to sell.

People talk about stability and are happy for our players to be sold before we're stabilised at this level. That isn't how this 'model' operates if you're looking at the more recent clubs we seem to be trying to emulate. We're piss weak elsewhere in the team and squad to be doing things like that.

We have Stewart and a very raw looking Ellis Simms. Simms would not carry us, he is far too raw and already looks to have opposition players getting to grips with him. £15m might look brilliant on a balance sheet and an excellent short term return, bit it would leave an absolute chasm to fill and one that would put our entire being at this level in jeopardy.

People talk about the Brentford model etc but don't seem to understand that what they're happy to accept is the Stuart Donald model.
 

Grumpy Old Man said:
Because I can take action on that. All I wanted was a withdrawal of a completely false accusation. Sometimes you have to go over the top to get a retraction. I'm not really a litigious person. I just need to make people aware of how out of line they are, and sometimes on here that means using a metaphorical bludgeon. Wouldn't you find such an accusation incredibly offensive?
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Also hypocritical 'I can take action on that' 'I'm not really a litigious person' in the same post.' You can't have it both ways I'm afraid...
 
Mackemed said:
How does it impigne on your 'professional integrity'? You are a Sunderland 'fan' aren't you? None of us are working or discussing work here...are we??
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Although I'm retired, I'm still a chartered accountant, and subject to all the rules, which govern both personal and work behaviour. I can be subject to disciplinary proceedings if I bounce a cheque. So, there's an uncomfortable crossover area for me.
 
Tony_in_London said:
I think one difference between Mowbray and both Johnson and Neil is that TM has managed at high level clubs which play high intensity matches in front of big crowds

To be honest I liked both Johnson and Neil but I dont think either of them had the tough edge you can always see on Tony Mowbray - even when he was playing for the Smoggies
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Apart from Celtic where he failed unbelievably which big crowds has he managed?
 
Mowgli said:
I agree with that. I think this has been on the cards for weeks personally. He hasn't been at our games for a laugh.
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It's a tricky one, I think. The way Neil left, the suddenness, meant we had little time to play with to find an adequate replacement in such a crucial season. Sometimes, you have to be pragmatic & override the counsel of perfection. That's one interpretation. Another (but the two aren't mutually exclusive) is that the club either knew or suspected Neil was dissatisfied so started to make contingency plans, possibly by speaking with Mowbray who's clearly well known to Harvey. Pure speculation on my part, but I find it refreshing to think we might have in place a set up in which managers/coaches can't call all the shots & take the piss, we recognise problems & swiftly take steps to address them by making contingency plans & we can find decent replacements with minimal fuss. These are the advantages of the so-called model. It enables a certain continuity that was simply impossible under the old sorry set up. But, particularly emotionally, it can take some getting used to....
 
Perryqhill said:
Simply not in a position to sell.

People talk about stability and are happy for our players to be sold before we're stabilised at this level. That isn't how this 'model' operates if you're looking at the more recent clubs we seem to be trying to emulate. We're piss weak elsewhere in the team and squad to be doing things like that.

We have Stewart and a very raw looking Ellis Simms. Simms would not carry us, he is far too raw and already looks to have opposition players getting to grips with him. £15m might look brilliant on a balance sheet and an excellent short term return, bit it would leave an absolute chasm to fill and one that would put our entire being at this level in jeopardy.

People talk about the Brentford model etc but don't seem to understand that what they're happy to accept is the Stuart Donald model.
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I certainly wouldn't be selling him now. At the start of the summer window with time to reinvest could be different. And only then for the right fee. I'd not sell him in January either.
 
leerik_canamole said:
Any professional manager would probably keep that team in the championship, that is no achievement whatsoever.

We need someone to help push us on and stop settling for f***ing safe.
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We can and should be competitive at this level. Injuries to key players may change that. Not adding to the squad may change that.

If people at the club and management accept being safe then there will never be the progression where we can even attract the players good enough to replace those who we sell and make this so called model work.

There needs to be some ambition to push on as well and a top ten position would do more good than being ' safe'.
 
hank williams said:
I didn't want him.purely he's a smoggy die heart but if he is ours he'll get my full support even.more so if he beats them lot next week I'll be sacked from graft by Tuesday afternoon lol
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He wasn’t my first choice, but the more I read about him the more I’m coming around to it. Solid appointment.
 
Not many were happy with he who cannot be named when he was appointed but he got us promoted.
For me the jury is out be he is far far better than Grayson and Parkinson imo
 
He managed for season in the Premier League unlike Johnson and Neil - in addition to managing Celtic. Also Boro and Blackburn are arguably more intense management jobs than anything Johnson or Neil has experienced.

He brings in a lot of experience and I think likely to handle pressure at SoL better than other likely candidates.

I think of him as the Boro equivalent of Benno
 
Maybe we at some point might give the club some credit for having a plan B with Alex Neil clearly not settled since promotion. Don't think we were ever any more than a means to an end, and Stroke will find the same if the Scotland team or a Prem team came for him.

So if we have had a plan in place, and also had the nous to find someone who's team finished within the top 30 teams in the country and had been in contact with him via Harvey so he walked away from his club just as much as they didn't retain him, surely that is proper planning?
 
Grumpy Old Man said:
I certainly wouldn't be selling him now. At the start of the summer window with time to reinvest could be different. And only then for the right fee. I'd not sell him in January either.
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Fair enough, though I'd still argue at the start of the window he was the probably the one we couldn't sell out of the squad if we were serious about stability and putting a long term plan in place.

I've probably not gone far enough back in the thread to fully understand what was being said. I've just seen it mentioned too much in the last few weeks that it's OK to sell because that's the 'model' but it's only the model when it's right for us.
 
Perryqhill said:
Fair enough, though I'd still argue at the start of the window he was the probably the one we couldn't sell out of the squad if we were serious about stability and putting a long term plan in place.

I've probably not gone far enough back in the thread to fully understand what was being said. I've just seen it mentioned too much in the last few weeks that it's OK to sell because that's the 'model' but it's only the model when it's right for us.
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The model's all about timing. You need to sell when it gives you maximum opportunity to reinvest. We're at the hard part of the model because we're still in the first buying cycle, and the "virtuous circle" (if you want to call it that) only starts with the first sales phases.
The Good Sir said:
Or any other season under Mowbray.
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That's a question for another season. For all we know, he's coming in only till the end of the season to give us time for a proper search. Four weeks of Procter and Dodds now could be disastrous. Safe pair of hands in quick makes a lot of sense.
 
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