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Put a flat earthier into space


Kevj said:
Of course. Any craft landing on the moon most definitely needs wings to create lift.
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It must also look like an earth craft and be aerodynamic.

I bet he doesn't believe in the blackbird or at least it's supposed spec. I mean it was made by 'the man' after all. He probably thinks it never flew as high as it's supposed to or summit. The loopa
 
fyl2u said:
^ I had to be really specific about what I wanted from the AI image maker to get a sponge in a bath with an electrical cable attached to it.


Just telling it to create an image of a "water dehinderifyer" gave me this:


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I don't know what it is, but I think I want to burn it with fire.
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AI is probably fiction to the resident conspiracy theorist
 
Nukehasslefan said:
Not at all.
I'm talking about Earth and the moon's face as we are told. The rest is irrelevant to this discussion.

It's irrelevant where you think I got anything from.

You mentioned the 8 inches per mile squared is incorrect and it works by using a parabola. Explain it because you mentioned you'd calculated it. I just want to know how you managed it and what you used as your starting point.

Consider we are looking at a level line of sight and back to the vertical of a ball that's supposedly a globe, so now you explain your parabola from that point rather than from the point of throwing a ball into the air and having it act in a parabola, which is not the argument.

I say nothing at all about any drop to any horizon.
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Not sure what you are going on about craters not being able to form and the moon always being the same then, if you now admit it can happen.

This is a short paper I wrote a while ago when I first telling you the 8" square rule you love to bring up is bollocks:
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If you are now saying it is bollocks too, then fantastic. Stop using it to "disprove a globe" because it is a load of crap. We never need speak of it again.
 
DaveH said:
Not sure what you are going on about craters not being able to form and the moon always being the same then, if you now admit it can happen.

This is a short paper I wrote a while ago when I first telling you the 8" square rule you love to bring up is bollocks:
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If you are now saying it is bollocks too, then fantastic. Stop using it to "disprove a globe" because it is a load of crap. We never need speak of it again.
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It’s great to see some consistency from one side of the debate.
 
Pancho said:
It was you who first introduced into this thread the expression 8 inches per mile squared to calculate the earth's curve.

It has been pointed out repeatedly by others on this thread that you cannot use that expression to determine the curve of a sphere because it refers to a parabola.

You have been told from whence this erroneous mathematical expression in relation to the globe first originated, and this was in an entirely fallacious pamphlet, Zetetic Astronomy, written by Samuel Rowbotham and first published in 1881.

This mathematical expression keeps cropping up because it is still used entirely disingenuously by snake oil salesmen on flat earth sites to con gullible and scientifically illiterate people such as yourself.

You cannot and never have been able to use 8 inches per mile squared to calculate the curvature of the earth.

This is the correct way:

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Edit: I'm more than happy to have the above information 'peer reviewed' by other members more adept at maths than myself - and that's not a high bar.
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This.

He seems to be claiming that this broken rule is one us normal people use and is now using it to dismiss our calculations as bollocks. Short term memory issues I suspect.

Search thread history. First brought up by him back in October last year and instantly dismissed as bollocks. Now he thinks the rule is bollocks and that we are the ones who use it. I think we have confused him a lot!
 
DaveH said:
This.

He seems to be claiming that this broken rule is one us normal people use and is now using it to dismiss our calculations as bollocks. Short term memory issues I suspect.

Search thread history. First brought up by him back in October last year and instantly dismissed as bollocks. Now he thinks the rule is bollocks and that we are the ones who use it. I think we have confused him a lot!
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Noted and thank you.
 
DaveH said:
Not sure what you are going on about craters not being able to form and the moon always being the same then, if you now admit it can happen.

This is a short paper I wrote a while ago when I first telling you the 8" square rule you love to bring up is bollocks:
You must be logged on to see external links

If you are now saying it is bollocks too, then fantastic. Stop using it to "disprove a globe" because it is a load of crap. We never need speak of it again.
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tangent was mentioned to early on. dismissed
DaveH said:
This.

He seems to be claiming that this broken rule is one us normal people use and is now using it to dismiss our calculations as bollocks. Short term memory issues I suspect.

Search thread history. First brought up by him back in October last year and instantly dismissed as bollocks. Now he thinks the rule is bollocks and that we are the ones who use it. I think we have confused him a lot!
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When he goes to this level of lying about what he's said I do tend to think he's got to be on a wind up as he surely can't be that think. Or maybe he compartmentalises all he says into a box of forget when he actually starts saying the opposite. He may have brainwashed himself to such a degree that his brain won't allow him to be wrong?
 
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payne said:
tangent was mentioned to early on. dismissed

When he goes to this level of lying about what he's said I do tend to think he's got to be on a wind up as he surely can't be that think. Or maybe he compartmentalises all he says into a box of forget when he actually starts saying the opposite. He may have brainwashed himself to such a degree that his brain won't allow him to be wrong?
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It is something in the mindset of most conspiracy theorists.

There is someone at work who is not full on nut job but does pick up on some of the theories (I avoided conversations on covid). Mostly I've considered him a work conspiracy theorist in that he keeps coming up with all these things that just never happen. We are going to be move into a really crap building in the arse end of nowhere. Didn't happen. We are all going to have to apply for our jobs. Didn't happen. We are going to have to work weekends. Didn't happen. Etc etc. Other things are about more minor decisions, systems to run or retire, things like that. My daughter is home schooled now, and he keeps wanting to draw me in on them. Me and the wife will have to qualify as teachers. We will have to submit lesson plans to the government. Offsted will sit in our house for a week and inspect us.

I've challenged him on a few things and said "That is not what is being planned.". True to form with other CTs, he nods and says things like "I guess I have more information on this than you do.". I'm his boss, so a few times have said "I've just come from a managers meeting about this, talking directly to the person who you said is planning the opposite of what he just discussed with us.". "Well obviously they will say that then slip this in under the carpet.". He is now also an expert on the education system, along with all the rules around home schooling, something he never mentioned before until I did it.

In any argument, sometimes about a 'theory' or other times just on a bit of tech, like how the mail server works, he might start off wrong, the rest of us argue with him, offer some evidence, sit and work it out, perhaps draw the system architecture on the wipe board and if ever he does realise he was wrong, he looks at the right answer and says "That is what I've been saying, so do you agree with me now?".

It is literally a full 180 turn, sometimes in the space of 5-10 minutes. But in his own mind he was right in the first place and we were the ones all wrong with whatever idea he started with in the first place. It is really annoying, but if we pick up on it, he goes into full on denial. Even if we send him a mail where he said the opposite. Mostly we just shrug, mutter and think we are all in agreement that is all that matters, now fix this problem or whatever it was we were talking about and move forward.

I don't think he does it deliberately, just in his head he is always right and if what is right changes in his head then he must have had that argument all the long and everyone else had something different.

I think we have the same thing here, or when backed into a corner on something he has not thought out, backtracks and changes his mind. It looks like I'm seeing that about "the craters of the moon never change and can't possibly". Ask him to draw arrows on a diagram, "oh shit yeah that could work", and just changes his mind about what he is saying (post 12,931). But in his own head I honestly think he thinks he said something different.

It all leads into what I said ages ago about the hero complex. Many conspiracy theorists are usually underachievers with low education levels and mundane jobs, but in their mind they want to be so much more. They want to be the hero or the sage of all knowledge. That is one reason why most posts are designed for a reaction. "Show me", "Explain in your own words", means go do some homework for me and come back. We know it will be dismissed and in their mind, 'ha, I'm better'. Similarly phrases like "we all know what that means" or "I've done experiments", all naturally leads people to come back and say "err, what?". In their mind it is "please teach us wise old sage". It all elevates their own self image of one of the few with truth and knowledge.

The result is, as this is how many see themselves, in their mind they are never wrong, they simply can't be wrong. Wrong is for the "big wigs" or "authority" flooding the sheep population with lies. They can see the lies and know the truth, therefor they are always right. If during a discourse they learn something or more facts (that they accept) become available, their mindset changes and they just assume they were there all the long. It is not malicious or vindictive, not even deliberate. It is just the way conspiracy theorists work.
 
DaveH said:
It is something in the mindset of most conspiracy theorists.

There is someone at work who is not full on nut job but does pick up on some of the theories (I avoided conversations on covid). Mostly I've considered him a work conspiracy theorist in that he keeps coming up with all these things that just never happen. We are going to be move into a really crap building in the arse end of nowhere. Didn't happen. We are all going to have to apply for our jobs. Didn't happen. We are going to have to work weekends. Didn't happen. Etc etc. Other things are about more minor decisions, systems to run or retire, things like that. My daughter is home schooled now, and he keeps wanting to draw me in on them. Me and the wife will have to qualify as teachers. We will have to submit lesson plans to the government. Offsted will sit in our house for a week and inspect us.

I've challenged him on a few things and said "That is not what is being planned.". True to form with other CTs, he nods and says things like "I guess I have more information on this than you do.". I'm his boss, so a few times have said "I've just come from a managers meeting about this, talking directly to the person who you said is planning the opposite of what he just discussed with us.". "Well obviously they will say that then slip this in under the carpet.". He is now also an expert on the education system, along with all the rules around home schooling, something he never mentioned before until I did it.

In any argument, sometimes about a 'theory' or other times just on a bit of tech, like how the mail server works, he might start off wrong, the rest of us argue with him, offer some evidence, sit and work it out, perhaps draw the system architecture on the wipe board and if ever he does realise he was wrong, he looks at the right answer and says "That is what I've been saying, so do you agree with me now?".

It is literally a full 180 turn, sometimes in the space of 5-10 minutes. But in his own mind he was right in the first place and we were the ones all wrong with whatever idea he started with in the first place. It is really annoying, but if we pick up on it, he goes into full on denial. Even if we send him a mail where he said the opposite. Mostly we just shrug, mutter and think we are all in agreement that is all that matters, now fix this problem or whatever it was we were talking about and move forward.

I don't think he does it deliberately, just in his head he is always right and if what is right changes in his head then he must have had that argument all the long and everyone else had something different.

I think we have the same thing here, or when backed into a corner on something he has not thought out, backtracks and changes his mind. It looks like I'm seeing that about "the craters of the moon never change and can't possibly". Ask him to draw arrows on a diagram, "oh shit yeah that could work", and just changes his mind about what he is saying (post 12,931). But in his own head I honestly think he thinks he said something different.

It all leads into what I said ages ago about the hero complex. Many conspiracy theorists are usually underachievers with low education levels and mundane jobs, but in their mind they want to be so much more. They want to be the hero or the sage of all knowledge. That is one reason why most posts are designed for a reaction. "Show me", "Explain in your own words", means go do some homework for me and come back. We know it will be dismissed and in their mind, 'ha, I'm better'. Similarly phrases like "we all know what that means" or "I've done experiments", all naturally leads people to come back and say "err, what?". In their mind it is "please teach us wise old sage". It all elevates their own self image of one of the few with truth and knowledge.

The result is, as this is how many see themselves, in their mind they are never wrong, they simply can't be wrong. Wrong is for the "big wigs" or "authority" flooding the sheep population with lies. They can see the lies and know the truth, therefor they are always right. If during a discourse they learn something or more facts (that they accept) become available, their mindset changes and they just assume they were there all the long. It is not malicious or vindictive, not even deliberate. It is just the way conspiracy theorists work.
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My brother works as an engineer working on fluid analysis within diesel engines so has to use maths, chemistry, physics on a daily basis for his job. What he learns directly impacts on the design of the engine, i.e. finds a fault in the design, makes progress on efficiencies etc. The knowledge he's acquired from authority, school, college, degree and through work itself as enabled him to progress in a role where a layperson like myself wouldn't know where to start.

In his organisation there's another lad who works in analysis and uses the same fundamentals of maths, chemistry and physics to perform his job. He understand the knowledge he's acquired he's about to apply it to real world work situations and can be confident if the method is used correctly then the results can be taken as correct. The weird thing is that even though he agrees with the scientific method for his job and application of science to get a result he's a anti vaxxer and suspicious of the health service. My borther will say to him, 'what about the general doctors on the floor, the researchers who've been working on developing new medicines, are they all liars and not following the same methodology as you do in your job. This rationale doesn't seem to work for some reason.

It seems people can apply totally different standard to different things rather than applying the same logic to different areas and in differing degrees. The flat earth man on here is totally on a different level though. He thinks he understand everything and everyone in industry is actually thick or part of the cover up. Basically millions upon million of people.
 
payne said:
My brother works as an engineer working on fluid analysis within diesel engines so has to use maths, chemistry, physics on a daily basis for his job. What he learns directly impacts on the design of the engine, i.e. finds a fault in the design, makes progress on efficiencies etc. The knowledge he's acquired from authority, school, college, degree and through work itself as enabled him to progress in a role where a layperson like myself wouldn't know where to start.

In his organisation there's another lad who works in analysis and uses the same fundamentals of maths, chemistry and physics to perform his job. He understand the knowledge he's acquired he's about to apply it to real world work situations and can be confident if the method is used correctly then the results can be taken as correct. The weird thing is that even though he agrees with the scientific method for his job and application of science to get a result he's a anti vaxxer and suspicious of the health service. My borther will say to him, 'what about the general doctors on the floor, the researchers who've been working on developing new medicines, are they all liars and not following the same methodology as you do in your job. This rationale doesn't seem to work for some reason.

It seems people can apply totally different standard to different things rather than applying the same logic to different areas and in differing degrees. The flat earth man on here is totally on a different level though. He thinks he understand everything and everyone in industry is actually thick or part of the cover up. Basically millions upon million of people.
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Excellent post.

Thank you for taking the time.
 
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