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Booing prior to the kick off.

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Skylon said:
I was making the point that role models don't have to be from this country.Nowt to do with George Floyd.Are you a bit obsessed with him?And I chose Martin Luther King and Nelson Mandela as examples,because they are not from this country.Well done at missing the point ......again!

You could also think of kick racism out,which has been around for years.Yet a lot of you are praising this initiative

I know a couple of lads that boo the knee,and they are proper racists!
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And? If we find 2 anti semites who applaud the knee, does that tell us anything about the entire group? Do you know lots of racists?
 

Skylon said:
I was making the point that role models don't have to be from this country.Nowt to do with George Floyd.Are you a bit obsessed with him?And I chose Martin Luther King and Nelson Mandela as examples,because they are not from this country.Well done at missing the point ......again!
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I've read back and you could have been more succinct and clearer in your point about valid foreign role models. Understood and in principle I agree. However, I'll reiterate that possibly the best role model is UK-born Marcus Rashford.

As regards George Floyd, you yourself have you didn't care if George Floyd was a criminal. That's why I focus on this point.

And people are using him as an iconic character and I believe so incorrectly.

I will, however, move on from George Floyd now.
EDIT: "...you yourself have said you didn't care...".
 
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RossTheNinja said:
According to whom is exactly the point. If you see it as such, fine. Some people see it as supporting BLM, who are a terrible organisation. It would appear that people who didn't mind, or liked BLM are happy to change their association with kneeling.

If you're eating a cake, It's easier to notice something you hate than something you like. BLM is baked into the knee for a lot of people.
It's gotten stale and we need to move on. It's doing more harm than good.

(I'm hungry now)
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But according to who (or 'whom', honestly dinnar) is it associated with the BLM Marxist organisation? Why do people see it that way?

Although I admit that this is probably the reasoning that I can get most on board with when discussing why people may be against taking the knee (mostly due to all the other reasons being embarrassingly ridiculous), I still see it as absolute complete rubbish.

There's loads of organisations or movements that share unfortunate names with others, take ISIS for example -
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Why do you personally believe that nobody is furious about those companies, yet multiple threads just on here garner hundreds of replies claiming that the kneeling is wrong because of it's sharing of a name?

Do you genuinely believe that the Gillingham players knelt on Saturday to show support of an American Marxist organisation? Do you believe that the people booing them kneeling believe this? If not, again, I ask why they boo?

Not only is it comical to suggest they're kneeling in support of that, but it's even more absurd to think this after FIFA, EUFA, The FA, The Premier League, The EFL, National Team footballers, National Team managers, Pundits, Sportsmen, Sportswomen etc. etc. etc. have all categorically stated in some form that taking the knee, or kneeling before a game is an anti-racism or anti-discriminatory movement. Are they all in on supporting the Marxist Organisation and just blatantly lying to the public as to why they're actually doing it?

How on earth can anyone believe that the thousands of football players kneeling over the past year or so are doing so in support of a Marxist organisation?

Edit: Appreciate the cake analogy. It can also be likewise used as to why those that don't agree with it (and boo) are more noticed than those content and/or not arsed.
 
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Get Into Em said:
But according to who (or 'whom', honestly dinnar) is it associated with the BLM Marxist organisation? Why do people see it that way?

Although I admit that this is probably the reasoning that I can get most on board with when discussing why people may be against taking the knee (mostly due to all the other reasons being embarrassingly ridiculous), I still see it as absolute complete rubbish.

There's loads of organisations or movements that share unfortunate names with others, take ISIS for example -
You must be logged on to see external links
Why do you personally believe that nobody is furious about those companies, yet multiple threads just on here garner hundreds of replies claiming that the kneeling is wrong because of it's sharing of a name?

Do you genuinely believe that the Gillingham players knelt on Saturday to show support of an American Marxist organisation? Do you believe that the people booing them kneeling believe this? If not, again, I ask why they boo?

Not only is it comical to suggest they're kneeling in support of that, but it's even more absurd to think this after FIFA, EUFA, The FA, The Premier League, The EFL, National Team footballers, National Team managers, Pundits, Sportsmen, Sportswomen etc. etc. etc. have all categorically stated in some form that taking the knee, or kneeling before a game is an anti-racism or anti-discriminatory movement. Are they all in on supporting the Marxist Organisation and just blatantly lying to the public as to why they're actually doing it?

How on earth can anyone believe that the thousands of football players kneeling over the past year or so are doing so in support of a Marxist organisation?

Edit: Appreciate the cake analogy. It can also be likewise used as to why those that don't agree with it (and boo) are more noticed than those content and/or not arsed.
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So why did they start doing it when it was across the media after George Floyd with BLACK LIVES MATTER on their shirts with the emblem on the sleeve? Massive coincidence?
 
Safc98 said:
So why did they start doing it when it was across the media after George Floyd with BLACK LIVES MATTER on their shirts with the emblem on the sleeve? Massive coincidence?
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Because the George Floyd murder was a horrible thing.Disgusting
 
Get Into Em said:
But according to who (or 'whom', honestly dinnar) is it associated with the BLM Marxist organisation? Why do people see it that way?
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Maybe this may answer your question

16:00, Fri, Jun 19, 2020 Premier League football is back after a three-month hiatus due to the coronavirus crisis, with all games behind held behind closed doors. Aston Villa and Sheffield United kicked things off earlier this week, where
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Referee Michael Oliver also joined in the show of support for the Black Lives Matter movement. The clash was followed by Manchester City hosting Arsenal as all players wore ‘Black Lives Matter’ on their shirts.

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mysticmackem said:
Maybe this may answer your question

16:00, Fri, Jun 19, 2020 Premier League football is back after a three-month hiatus due to the coronavirus crisis, with all games behind held behind closed doors. Aston Villa and Sheffield United kicked things off earlier this week, where
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Referee Michael Oliver also joined in the show of support for the Black Lives Matter movement. The clash was followed by Manchester City hosting Arsenal as all players wore ‘Black Lives Matter’ on their shirts.

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Black lives do matter
 
mysticmackem said:
Maybe this may answer your question

16:00, Fri, Jun 19, 2020 Premier League football is back after a three-month hiatus due to the coronavirus crisis, with all games behind held behind closed doors. Aston Villa and Sheffield United kicked things off earlier this week, where
You must be logged on to see external links
Referee Michael Oliver also joined in the show of support for the Black Lives Matter movement. The clash was followed by Manchester City hosting Arsenal as all players wore ‘Black Lives Matter’ on their shirts.

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Conveniently forgotten by all involved
 
Get Into Em said:
But according to who (or 'whom', honestly dinnar) is it associated with the BLM Marxist organisation? Why do people see it that way?

Although I admit that this is probably the reasoning that I can get most on board with when discussing why people may be against taking the knee (mostly due to all the other reasons being embarrassingly ridiculous), I still see it as absolute complete rubbish.

There's loads of organisations or movements that share unfortunate names with others, take ISIS for example -
You must be logged on to see external links
Why do you personally believe that nobody is furious about those companies, yet multiple threads just on here garner hundreds of replies claiming that the kneeling is wrong because of it's sharing of a name?

Do you genuinely believe that the Gillingham players knelt on Saturday to show support of an American Marxist organisation? Do you believe that the people booing them kneeling believe this? If not, again, I ask why they boo?

Not only is it comical to suggest they're kneeling in support of that, but it's even more absurd to think this after FIFA, EUFA, The FA, The Premier League, The EFL, National Team footballers, National Team managers, Pundits, Sportsmen, Sportswomen etc. etc. etc. have all categorically stated in some form that taking the knee, or kneeling before a game is an anti-racism or anti-discriminatory movement. Are they all in on supporting the Marxist Organisation and just blatantly lying to the public as to why they're actually doing it?

How on earth can anyone believe that the thousands of football players kneeling over the past year or so are doing so in support of a Marxist organisation?

Edit: Appreciate the cake analogy. It can also be likewise used as to why those that don't agree with it (and boo) are more noticed than those content and/or not arsed.
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No, I don't at all. They are doing it with the best intentions, because it means being against racism to them.

One of the reasons others don't think so are the massive BLM logos plastered everywhere when this stuff started, or all the kneeling at the BLM protests/riots/most peaceful fires.

Thousands of people support PETA, who are absolutely awful IMHO. I guess most don't support killing puppies and kittens and focus instead on the message of being nice to animals. I'm sure there are hundreds of organisations that seem great to one person and despicable to another. Me hating PETA doesn't make me anti-animal.
 
RossTheNinja said:
No, I don't at all. They are doing it with the best intentions, because it means being against racism to them.

One of the reasons others don't think so are the massive BLM logos plastered everywhere when this stuff started, or all the kneeling at the BLM protests/riots/most peaceful fires.

Thousands of people support PETA, who are absolutely awful IMHO. I guess most don't support killing puppies and kittens and focus instead on the message of being nice to animals. I'm sure there are hundreds of organisations that seem great to one person and despicable to another. Me hating PETA doesn't make me anti-animal.
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Although I don't hate PETA, I don't agree with absolutely every message they send out or endorse, yet I know for a fact that if players did a stance for a mere 10 seconds against animal abuse I wouldn't boo it. Why would I? It'd be pathetic. Would you? Do you boo the mere 10 seconds of kneeling in support of anti-racism?

mysticmackem said:
Maybe this may answer your question

16:00, Fri, Jun 19, 2020 Premier League football is back after a three-month hiatus due to the coronavirus crisis, with all games behind held behind closed doors. Aston Villa and Sheffield United kicked things off earlier this week, where
You must be logged on to see external links
Referee Michael Oliver also joined in the show of support for the Black Lives Matter movement. The clash was followed by Manchester City hosting Arsenal as all players wore ‘Black Lives Matter’ on their shirts.

You must be logged on to see external links
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I appreciate that the BLM Marxist organisation exists mate. Read on from the first sentence in my original post. There's multiple organisations (in this case: an anti-racism movement) that unfortunately for them share the same as awful organisations (in this case: the Marxist organisation). I used ISIS as an example.

Even when this was addressed and the branding was changed, people still boo? Why?

It's not as if BLM was a popular, well known marxist organisation before the same message was used in the protests. Was everyone protesting meant to be aware of the Marxist organisation before saying the three words of "black lives matter"? And for anyone saying these three words (or practicing an anti-racism movement with these 3 words as the message), does that instantly mean they're in support of the Marxist organisation? It doesn't, let's be honest.

Maybe it does link back to @RossTheNinja's point that bad tastes stay, so even after changing the name of the 'branding' those fans booing are still unhappy, but that still implies that they're either extremely thick or extremely ignorant to believe that the kneeling is in support of the Marxist Organisation.

I feel like the majority of what I've put is what I've already said, so it might be worth you re-reading the rest of my post you replied to.

Safc98 said:
So why did they start doing it when it was across the media after George Floyd with BLACK LIVES MATTER on their shirts with the emblem on the sleeve? Massive coincidence?
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Read above and the rest of my post that you replied to. Do you believe that the entire England national team are in support of the Marxist organisation despite being some of the wealthiest young men in the country? Are the entire Gillingham squad massive undercover Marxists?
 
Am I being too simplistic but if you have a problem with the knee fine, and if you support the knee then fine regardless of who is right or wrong. Can we just not boo it as rightly or wrongly that reflects badly on our support and doesnt exactly enhance the mood for the team 5 seconds before kick off.
 
Get Into Em said:
I appreciate that the BLM Marxist organisation exists mate. Read on from the first sentence in my original post. There's multiple organisations (in this case: an anti-racism movement) that unfortunately for them share the same as awful organisations (in this case: the Marxist organisation). I used ISIS as an example.

Even when this was addressed and the branding was changed, people still boo? Why?

It's not as if BLM was a popular, well known marxist organisation before the same message was used in the protests. Was everyone protesting meant to be aware of the Marxist organisation before saying the three words of "black lives matter"? And for anyone saying these three words (or practicing an anti-racism movement with these 3 words as the message), does that instantly mean they're in support of the Marxist organisation? It doesn't, let's be honest.

Maybe it does link back to @RossTheNinja's point that bad tastes stay, so even after changing the name of the 'branding' those fans booing are still unhappy, but that still implies that they're either extremely thick or extremely ignorant to believe that the kneeling is in support of the Marxist Organisation.

I feel like the majority of what I've put is what I've already said, so it might be worth you re-reading the rest of my post you replied to.
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I understand very well what you have said in your posts, we all have been around the houses in multiple threads on this subject. Your post, to which I replied, started off with the question: "But according to who (or 'whom', honestly dinnar) is it associated with the BLM Marxist organisation? Why do people see it that way?" I merely gave an answer through a published example, which I believe satisfied that particular question. The Premier League associated themselves in taking the knee in support of BLM, and maybe that's why people see it that way.
 
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mysticmackem said:
I understand very well what you have said in your posts, we all have been around the houses in multiple threads on this subject. Your post, to which I replied, started off with the question: "But according to who (or 'whom', honestly dinnar) is it associated with the BLM Marxist organisation? Why do people see it that way?" I merely gave an answer through a published example, which I believe satisfied that particular question. The Premier League associated themselves in taking the knee in support of BLM, and maybe that's why people see it that way.
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Was it BLM the movement, or BLM the organisation?
 
mysticmackem said:
I understand very well what you have said in your posts, we all have been around the houses in multiple threads on this subject. Your post, to which I replied, started off with the question: "But according to who (or 'whom', honestly dinnar) is it associated with the BLM Marxist organisation? Why do people see it that way?" I merely gave an answer through a published example, which I believe satisfied that particular question. The Premier League associated themselves in taking the knee in support of BLM, and maybe that's why people see it that way.
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Having Black Lives Matter on a shirt in no way makes it instantly associated with that. The same way in which a company called 'ISIS' (still using this as an example) having their name on a billboard would have no association with the terrorist group.

When players celebrate a goal with their hand in the air I've never known anyone say, or think "Bloody hell, he must be in support of the Nazis", yet when players kneel for 10 seconds they're somehow Marxists? Which (as I've said before) is laughable as they're some of the richest young men in the country.

Anyone with any sort of common sense would understand this. Or am I on my own here?
 
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